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Default U.S. kicks out world's brightest when most needed - Europe says "we want you"

Sad, sad, sad for the United States

Unfortunately, America will regret this. We all wish this wasn't necessary

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Sad, sad, sad for the United States

Unfortunately, America will regret this. We all wish this wasn't necessary

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20071211...0071211general
The blue card is like H1B - temporary work visa. I dont think it will lead to migration in hordes from the US. Only people who dont win the H1B lottery will settle for the blue card.

For folks who are in the US for the long haul ( stuck in retrogression GC applicants ), EU still does not offer an alternative.
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The blue card is like H1B - temporary work visa. I dont think it will lead to migration in hordes from the US. Only people who dont win the H1B lottery will settle for the blue card.

For folks who are in the US for the long haul ( stuck in retrogression GC applicants ), EU still does not offer an alternative.
From what little I read about the blue card, it seemed it is much from than a H1B. You have more mobility in the sense that it is not tied to a particular employer. You work in your field with whomever is willing to hire you. This is not like the H1B. And you automatically become a permanent resident after a few maybe 5 yrs of employment. Again not like H1B. Years on H1B does not help you get GC any sooner.
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From what little I read about the blue card, it seemed it is much from than a H1B. You have more mobility in the sense that it is not tied to a particular employer. You work in your field with whomever is willing to hire you. This is not like the H1B. And you automatically become a permanent resident after a few maybe 5 yrs of employment. Again not like H1B. Years on H1B does not help you get GC any sooner.
By "like H1B", I meant "temporary work visa". In some ways its more restrictive than even an H1B i.e. 3 times minimum wage requirement.

BLUE CARD V GREEN CARD

Blue Card
Does not give permanent residency
Valid up to two years, renewable
Allows holders and families to live, work and travel in EU
Applicant must have one-year EU job contract with salary of three times minimum wage
Permanent residency automatic after five years

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Valid for 10 years, renewable
Allows holder to live, work and travel in the US
Five channels to seek a card: employment, family links, a lottery, investment, or resident since before 1972
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I concur that people who have been her for years, and put down roots will not sell their houses and cars and move to EU.
However, that said, remember that it might be 2009 before the blue card is a reality. The blue card is aimed at future immigrants.
If I were 10 years younger, fresh from a good graduate school, with plenty of job offers, knowing what I know of the GC mess, believe me, I would be giving EU a serious look.
In the professional environment, the language barrier is not as high as it is commonly assumed. We have plenty of German, Swedish and Icelandic colleagues, and they all speak excellent English. English is commonly spoken in the professional environment, especially in multi-nationals in the EU.
So yes, there will be an exodus, though you and I will probably be stuck battling here

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The blue card is like H1B - temporary work visa. I dont think it will lead to migration in hordes from the US. Only people who dont win the H1B lottery will settle for the blue card.

For folks who are in the US for the long haul ( stuck in retrogression GC applicants ), EU still does not offer an alternative.
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Nothing new in the article. They may increase the H1-B visa numbers but the rest of the problems for legal immigrant will remain same. Specially Desi Employer and Desi Attornies will take advantage from any H1-B visa increase.

Forget about any bill they will pass to easy the processing. The leaders here are busy in Iran, Iraq, Election, Snow storme, Illegal Immegrants, Michel Vick, now MLB .. and so on. Nobody even think about the legal immigrant. This is why they always mix-match with illegal immigrant. And why they should think about you. Your vital records are already in computer. You are already paying all kind of taxes. If you do anything wrong first desi employer will take care of you then US Authorities. They can esily catch you because you are not hiding anywhere. Also you can not hide. Legal immigrants are not a problem for them.
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I concur that people who have been her for years, and put down roots will not sell their houses and cars and move to EU.
However, that said, remember that it might be 2009 before the blue card is a reality. The blue card is aimed at future immigrants.
If I were 10 years younger, fresh from a good graduate school, with plenty of job offers, knowing what I know of the GC mess, believe me, I would be giving EU a serious look.
In the professional environment, the language barrier is not as high as it is commonly assumed. We have plenty of German, Swedish and Icelandic colleagues, and they all speak excellent English. English is commonly spoken in the professional environment, especially in multi-nationals in the EU.
So yes, there will be an exodus, though you and I will probably be stuck battling here
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3 times the minimum wage for a skilled -worker is not unreasonable at all in the US. It comes to roughly 47K. How reasonable this factor of three in Europe I don't know. 60 (??) days of paid vacation, great culture and food (experience limited to Spain, Italy and Switzerland) sounds great actually. If only Blue card were a reality. On the other hand I love this country and the opportunities I got here to pursue my dream.
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3 times the minimum wage for a skilled -worker is not unreasonable at all in the US. It comes to roughly 47K. How reasonable this factor of three in Europe I don't know. 60 (??) days of paid vacation, great culture and food (experience limited to Spain, Italy and Switzerland) sounds great actually. If only Blue card were a reality. On the other hand I love this country and the opportunities I got here to pursue my dream.
47k ? I dont know what field you are in, but in my field the minimum wage is a lot higher than 47k.
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47k ? I dont know what field you are in, but in my field the minimum wage is a lot higher than 47k.
Minimum wage is about $7.25 in NC. I am not talking about the prevailing wage for rocket scientists.

Minimum wage is something the govt. mandates... McDonald cannot get away with paying less than $7.25 per hour.
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Seems like countries like Germany is opposed to the Blue card. Anybody know the arguments against it.
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I for sure am leaving once this is put in place.. Most attractive part of the Blue card.. five years and you are assured permanent residency
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Minimum wage is about $7.25 in NC. I am not talking about the prevailing wage for rocket scientists.

Minimum wage is something the govt. mandates... McDonald cannot get away with paying less than $7.25 per hour.
Isnt there a minimum wage for each job class/type, that is mentioned on your LCA ?

You cannot make the arguement that as a computer programmer you are fine as long as you get 3x what a McDonalds employee gets.
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Seems like countries like Germany is opposed to the Blue card. Anybody know the arguments against it.
Germany's main concern is that the EU might eventually set quotas on the number of immigrants who can enter individual member states.
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