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Old 12-10-2006, 09:14 AM
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Default My Concern!-SKIL comming in 2009

My concern is that if CIR does not get taken up sooner that May07...it may be postponed to 09 due to election politics being a hot potato issue...what I would suggest is that we start working from the first day the congress starts and whether through QGA or through indiviual senators try to pass just non-contraversial benefits like ability to file EAD after I-140, recapture of Visa numbers and Spouse and kid not included in the Visa numbers and intorduce this bill and try to pass it.

What we need is a interim EB bill.


The first stpes may be to indentify all non-contraversial issues and then come to a common understanding on those...advise all state chapters meet thier senators about these same issue(ALL members are talking the same)
Intorduce these no later than End of Jan 07 for discussion. in senate..Lets explain to them that its going on getting postponed due to the fact senators are postponing the benefits to us syaing it will be included in the CIR...and so on...they have been very sincere in delaying this intentionally....


If we need to get started on the first day of congress I suggest we start getting organozed now...

What do you guys think!!
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Pani_6,

Good post. One question to you. Would you be able to give 7 days of your vacation early next year? I want to device a strategy for success. If you are interested we will work togther. And whatever strategy is formed, it will have blessing of IV and participating member. Please reply for this post. Be serious. I am not joking.

Not only you I need around 100 peoples one weeks time. So other people serious about getting GC, if you are willing to part away your valuable one week time that would be great.

I would like to stress, I am not dying because of GC. But I think we need to do something to get GC. Otherwise, we will be in QUE, a lonnnngggg QUE.

Hope I have some taker.

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What we need is a interim EB bill.


The first stpes may be to indentify all non-contraversial issues and then come to a common understanding on those..
To summarize a discussion with Tito, Rajeev, and go_gc_way on another thread: we should ask for 3 non-controversial things first. We can, if we need to, ask for more things in Step 2.

1. Ability to file for I-485 without current PD.
2. A renewable EAD of 5 yrs.
3. Recapture of unused visas from previous yrs (only if this is not controversial).

Guys and gals, a silver medal is better than a gold medal. The SKIL bill is a gold medal, but the bottomline is we did not win any medal on Friday. Also, I support nycgal's opinion on re-evaluation of our lobbying partner.

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All the appropriations bill will be dealt by the new Democratic Congress in Jan-Feb (CR expires Feb 15). Immigratio Relief provisions can be attached to these bills...i believe there is widespread support for these among both Democrats and most Republicans
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Why don't posters on this forum move back to their home country and concentrate on making their home country great instead of slamming into someone else's country and just living off the wealth others have created?

The bottom line is that a SKIL act is not needed. Hundreds of thousands of American programmers have lost their job to the third world, both in outsourcing and insourcing of third world programmers who work for cheaper wages. There is absolutely no need for more foreigners here and no need for more green cards. Temporary workers are just that - temporary. If you are on a temporary visa, work your time, make some money for your family and head home when your time is up. Don't cry that we don't provide enough green cards when you knew what kind of visa you were on.
Why don't you move back to Britain or whichever country you or your ancestors came from? Also, a lot of wealth in the US has been created by these people who "slam into someone else's country." So your argument has little validity. Maybe I should not be wasting my time in responding to xenophobes.

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Living off the wealth others have created?? What are you talking about? Also, this issue is not just about programmers. It is about doctors, scientists, engineers and several other qualified professionals. Do some fact-checking rather than being a nitwit. Go take a walk.



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Why don't posters on this forum move back to their home country and concentrate on making their home country great instead of slamming into someone else's country and just living off the wealth others have created?

The bottom line is that a SKIL act is not needed. Hundreds of thousands of American programmers have lost their job to the third world, both in outsourcing and insourcing of third world programmers who work for cheaper wages. There is absolutely no need for more foreigners here and no need for more green cards. Temporary workers are just that - temporary. If you are on a temporary visa, work your time, make some money for your family and head home when your time is up. Don't cry that we don't provide enough green cards when you knew what kind of visa you were on.

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Why don't you move back to Britain or whichever country you or your ancestors came from? Also, a lot of wealth in the US has been created by these people who "slam into someone else's country." So your argument has little validity. Maybe I should not be wasting my time in responding to xenophobes.
Dont waste your breath on these benefit scrounging, trailer trash dwelling, racist redneck xenophobes. He's just concerned he wont be able to buy viagra with your social security and medicare taxes if you stay and happen to depend on them some day.
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Hi other IV users,

Did you read the post I wrote above? I think IV need some member who can do foot work. I think IV will agree with my assessment. What is others assessment? If we want to get something done we have to make some strategic and concentrated move.
Not everything could be written on this site.
If you are interested PM me. We can talk privately.

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How can I have a foot note in my posts? Thanks.
My Dear Macaca... Do the following to add a signature to ur posts... Login go to user profile... on the left hand side under Settings & options.. Edit ur signature... Type ur footnote and this will appear in all ur posts. Let me know if this is not what u r looking for.

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Kennedy, McCain, 2 congressmen meet
By Jerry Kammer
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December 9, 2006

WASHINGTON – Two of the most liberal members of Congress met with two of their most conservative colleagues this week to revive immigration legislation that passed the Senate but was throttled by House Republican leaders who resisted its attempt to grant citizenship to illegal immigrants.


Sen. Edward Kennedy
“The plan is to bring the bill up in late winter,” said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., a conservative stalwart who attended the meeting in the office of Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. The other participants were Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill.

The strategy session Wednesday came amid speculation about how the dynamics of the immigration debate might change, if at all, when Democrats take control of the House and Senate next month.

Flake said that Kennedy, who will be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee's immigration subcommittee, wants to let the new Congress deal first with issues such as the war in Iraq and proposals to raise the minimum wage.

“Then he'll be ready to go” with a new version of the bill that the Senate approved in April.


Sen. John McCain
Republicans ran the show in both houses of Congress then, and passionate divisions in their ranks over immigration policy became a dominant feature of the debate. Democrats, particularly in the House, were mostly content to sit back and enjoy the stalemate, even as they campaigned against the “do-nothing Republican Congress.”

Now Democrats face the hazards of immigration politics.

Immigration-law changes are conspicuously absent from the legislative agenda laid out by incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Observers here say it will be difficult for Pelosi, D-San Francisco, to honor her campaign-season pledge to work for a new comprehensive immigration law without splitting a caucus that includes freshly elected Democrats who vowed to secure the border and crack down on illegal immigration.

The November midterm elections seemed to send mixed messages.


Rep. Luis Gutierrez
In a cliffhanger contest, Arizona Rep. J.D. Hayworth, a conservative Republican and strident foe of illegal immigration, was defeated by Democrat Harry Mitchell.

Immigration advocates such as Ben Johnson of the Immigration Policy Center say Hayworth's defeat showed that immigration “did not turn out to be the firebrand issue that some people thought it could be.”

But immigration restrictionists point out that Mitchell made getting tough on immigration the centerpiece of his campaign. They also say Mitchell cleverly used the issue against Hayworth, saying his Republican opponent was part of a political regime that wasn't competent enough to stop the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that sweep across Arizona's southern border each year.

While Mitchell said he favored legal status for long-established immigrants, he insisted that immigration policy can be fixed only by “members of Congress who are willing to enforce the law, produce real immigration reform and stop playing politics with the issue.”


Rep. Jeff Flake
That enforcement-heavy approach is fine with immigration advocates as long as it is part of a package that provides permanent legal status to those who are beckoned across the border by agriculture, restaurant, construction, landscaping and janitorial jobs. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States is estimated to be at least 11 million.

Immigrant-rights advocates, along with their allies at the National Chamber of Commerce and other business organizations, also support a proposal to provide hundreds of thousands of low-wage workers every year for employers who demonstrate that they are unable to find Americans to fill the slots.

While McCain and Kennedy describe this as a “temporary-worker program,” the legislation they sponsored would put the workers on a path to citizenship.

At a time of anxiety about the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs, the McCain-Kennedy bill's efforts to import low-wage labor has drawn the anger of critics across the political spectrum. That is why Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates immigration restrictions, predicts Pelosi will be reluctant to get behind a proposal that could endanger the new Democratic majority.

“Nancy Pelosi knows the Democrats are on probation for the next two years,” Krikorian said.

He predicted that Pelosi would back less ambitious immigration change, such as a plan to provide legal status to undocumented students, rather than take on the explosive issue of mass legalization, which critics condemn as an amnesty that would spawn more illegal immigration.

But Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, which advocates for immigrant rights, argues that next year will be pivotal because of the presidential race that follows.

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“I think that once we hit primary (election) season, controversial issues get a lot harder to do,” Sharry said. “Everybody I talk to says 2007 is the window of opportunity.”

Pelosi was noncommittal this week on whether the House would take up immigration legislation. She sought to deflect some of the responsibility to the White House, suggesting that she expects President Bush to offer more specifics than his call to “match willing worker with willing employer.”

“That's up to the president,” Pelosi said. “We want to work closely with him because it has to be comprehensive and bipartisan.”

President Bush's political advisers, meanwhile, have acknowledged that revamping immigration law may be necessary to shore up sagging support for Republicans among Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing ethnic group. Republicans received just 30 percent of the Hispanic vote this year, down from 44 percent in 2004.
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There is absolutely no need for more foreigners here and no need for more green cards.
I guess to the original inhabitants, you are a foreigner too. Now with what card did your ancestors arrive? I am sure just the steamer card would not make the cut.

By the way, thanks for visiting our forums. There sure are so many websites on the internet, that you took the time to visit us.
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Guys,

There are many more trailer-park, red-neck, f*** heads like proud american out there. We really really have to very discreet both at work and other places when we talk about various strategies, like webfax campaign, phone campaign etc.

I was going through the discussion forums of the oppt side too this week and one of the s***heads aparently overheard one of IV members asking ppl to start making phone calls to various senators/congressmen. Then he went throwing on on a barrage of insults at all Indians (i dont know why they want to single out Indians only) calling us pests and all sorts of name-calling. Then he went on to say that the good news is that these 'pests' are planning to go back to their home-lands if they dont get the 'green' soon. So he was asking everyone else to call the senators and oppose the bill. And then the ultimate thing - he says that they "have a lot of legitimate ways to make our lives miserable" in the US...Do i hear KKK there??


This is what happens when we are not discreet at work place. They claim that we are using our work hours to do personal stuff. And he felt obliged to do the same too. Obviously nobody cribs when all of us hard-workers work overtime to get things done.

Anyway, please be careful at work places, be friendly with everyone but have this in your mind that there is someone always overhearing in the next cube/office and possibly monitoring the web sites being visited (like the above guy that i mentioned, did i forget to say that he was the IT admin who was monitoring all the sites that the Indians were visiting?).
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Why don't posters on this forum move back to their home country and concentrate on making their home country great instead of slamming into someone else's country and just living off the wealth others have created?

The bottom line is that a SKIL act is not needed. Hundreds of thousands of American programmers have lost their job to the third world, both in outsourcing and insourcing of third world programmers who work for cheaper wages. There is absolutely no need for more foreigners here and no need for more green cards. Temporary workers are just that - temporary. If you are on a temporary visa, work your time, make some money for your family and head home when your time is up. Don't cry that we don't provide enough green cards when you knew what kind of visa you were on.

This guys ignorance is clear and not based in the reality of the world today. He and his kind think by keeping those like us out, they can influence the demand supply dynamics of the labour market, indeed shallow, hillbilly economics.
That would perhaps have been true 25 yrs ago when capital was relatively locked in.
The reality now is Capital is freely mobile even if skills are not (and that too is open to debate due to the Internet) and from the looks of the trade deficits, thats one battle america is losing. If the capital flows start reversing due to such things as immigration policies, they ought to prepare for a plummetting dollar, high interest rates, mega inflation, and shortages in commodities. That will make the movie Apocalypto seem like a gentle transition.
His kind do not realise that skilled immigrants are not a threat, they are anchors of capital/investment to this country so that their kind can continue to enjoy their current lifestyle.
Fortunately for this great land his ignorant/xenophobic kind are a vocal but ignored minority, the last election demonstrated this. Pity that the republican party which at its core has good policies, is infested by this group.

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