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Is there a way to keep track of the amount of time and money senate has wasted on these pointless bills that actually harm America rather than help? this is not the time for cheap populist gimmicks or pander to anti-immigrant boigots - every minute wasted on these pointless debates to satiate anti-immigrant nuts is a precious minute thats lost from debating actual important issues!why do these d-bags want to focus on such a tiny tiny 85000 or 100000 jobs when more than 10million are at stake?
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Is there a way to keep track of the amount of time and money senate has wasted on these pointless bills that actually harm America rather than help? this is not the time for cheap populist gimmicks or pander to anti-immigrant boigots - every minute wasted on these pointless debates to satiate anti-immigrant nuts is a precious minute thats lost from debating actual important issues!why do these d-bags want to focus on such a tiny tiny 85000 or 100000 jobs when more than 10million are at stake?
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They have to be seen as doing something. Good timing on the part of the antis.

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They have to be seen as doing something. Good timing on the part of the antis.
This bill(at its entirety) will effectively stop the people entering US on H1B and taking up a job. Also, What this effectively does is promotes offshoring. If companies cant find resources to do the job, they will move the job to where the resources are. This means more jobs moving outside USA.

I agree with certain provisions of the bill that will reduce the fraud rates. I sincerely hope this Senators did a thorough study of the good/bad associated with this bill. There are few goods, but there are lots of bads in this bill. Hopefully some knowledgable Senator will speak up against this bill.
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Being a alian how can we ask them not to support such american first bill. Like Chandu said they have found perfect timming. We can only add or ask to remove some amendments. That 30 days job posting will be very BAD idea.. becasue what if DOL finds American Citizen who is ready to work. Can compnies wait for 30 days to get people on board ? More hard rule on body shop is good for our community. Also they should make rule to improve wages. but should not make condition to pay more wages to h1b than american.. there are so many stuff we can fight with in this bill.
Somone else said this...we have to educate the law makers about how this bill will encourage outsourcing and affacting the US.
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This bill(at its entirety) will effectively stop the people entering US on H1B and taking up a job. Also, What this effectively does is promotes offshoring. If companies cant find resources to do the job, they will move the job to where the resources are. This means more jobs moving outside USA.
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I think we must support this bill..

The current mess that we find is only due to body shoppers ..

USCIS failed in implementation...and left too many loop holes to be exploited...by scamsters..

The real impact may be sudden reduction in sammers applying for H1..

We must suggest that:
Its ok to make it extremely tough to get an H1..but atleast pass a law..that says if someone has been in this country for more than 10 yearsl (egally)..he must automatically qualify for a EB based GC..

its a give and take..

IV should not oppose this bill..rather we must push for it ..but get some concessions in return..
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I think we must support this bill..

The current mess that we find is only due to body shoppers ..

USCIS failed in implementation...and left too many loop holes to be exploited...by scamsters..

The real impact may be sudden reduction in sammers applying for H1..

We must suggest that:
Its ok to make it extremely tough to get an H1..but atleast pass a law..that says if someone has been in this country for more than 10 yearsl (egally)..he must automatically qualify for a EB based GC..

its a give and take..

IV should not oppose this bill..rather we must push for it ..but get some concessions in return..
Isn't 10 years presence in USA ( legally ) too much for you ? How can a person withstand in USA for 10 years with such tight h1b rules . assuming that we see some kind of recession every 5 years ? I would say 5 years should be limit. That means it will make people qualify if they work for 5 years continues on h1b in USA. or 2 ( f1 ) + 3 H1b what ever makes them 5 years.
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Somone else said this...we have to educate the law makers about how this bill will encourage outsourcing and affacting the US.
Thats the effort we need to do.

Thats why we have IV. People have to come forward and take initiative.
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I think we must support this bill..

The current mess that we find is only due to body shoppers ..

USCIS failed in implementation...and left too many loop holes to be exploited...by scamsters..

The real impact may be sudden reduction in sammers applying for H1..

We must suggest that:
Its ok to make it extremely tough to get an H1..but atleast pass a law..that says if someone has been in this country for more than 10 yearsl (egally)..he must automatically qualify for a EB based GC..

its a give and take..

IV should not oppose this bill..rather we must push for it ..but get some concessions in return..
Do you think Mr Durbin and Grassley are coming up with this anti-H1B bill because they are eager to give GC to EB based applicants ?
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I posted a comment on politico.

Lets not kid ourselves that Durbin and Grassley will do the "right thing" with EB visas. They are restrictionists plain and simple when it comes to skilled foreign workers. Lets speak up when people want to impose restrictions on H1B or F1 or EAD or GC. Such actions would have affected us in the past or will in the future...(my 2 c)
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I think we must support this bill..

The current mess that we find is only due to body shoppers ..

USCIS failed in implementation...and left too many loop holes to be exploited...by scamsters..

The real impact may be sudden reduction in sammers applying for H1..

We must suggest that:
Its ok to make it extremely tough to get an H1..but atleast pass a law..that says if someone has been in this country for more than 10 yearsl (egally)..he must automatically qualify for a EB based GC..

its a give and take..

IV should not oppose this bill..rather we must push for it ..but get some concessions in return..
I am not support body shoppers...but what about people who are already in project and hard working though they are unfortunate to work for those body shoppers. You want them to pack their bag.

As amslonewolf said in this thread...

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"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Just something to think and act about if you are nonchalant about this bill being introduced.

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Can we get some fact based assessment of how many Americans are working overseas on temporary or permanent assignments and the economic impact it would have had the other countries taken punitive actions against USA in response to this restrictionist bill?

I am wondering why nobody is talking about the other side of the job flow story. Agreed, USA is the melting pot but the job flow is not unidirectional. You'll be surprised to know how many Americans are working in other countries. May be the real figures will bring some sense.

A FOIA request? Any suggestions??
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Can we get some fact based assessment of how many Americans are working overseas on temporary or permanent assignments and the economic impact it would have had the other countries taken punitive actions against USA in response to this restrictionist bill?

I am wondering why nobody is talking about the other side of the job flow story. Agreed, USA is the melting pot but the job flow is not unidirectional. You'll be surprised to know how many Americans are working in other countries. May be the real figures will bring some sense.

A FOIA request? Any suggestions??
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Can we get some fact based assessment of how many Americans are working overseas on temporary or permanent assignments and the economic impact it would have had the other countries taken punitive actions against USA in response to this restrictionist bill?

I am wondering why nobody is talking about the other side of the job flow story. Agreed, USA is the melting pot but the job flow is not unidirectional. You'll be surprised to know how many Americans are working in other countries. May be the real figures will bring some sense.

A FOIA request? Any suggestions??
My brief stint in Singapore and Malaysia, there were tons of them working and living in both places with either Intel, Telstra, Citi or Goldman. Heck most of them were even PRs of Singapore. You could easily identify them, cause they were the loudest and fussiest.
People like Grassley and Durbin are opportunists (like the Nazis were during Germany's own depression, or like Idi Amin's goons) trying to forget that trade is a 2-way street.
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