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I hope our fortunes won't be tied to CIR. I sincerely hope the President does something like DACA for EB based immigrants.

President/Democrats won't do anything for EB immigrants. There is no ROI. There next action item would be to make all illegal immigrants legal, grant them citizenship so they they lock the latino votes for next 20/30 years in their favor.

In Politics, there is no right or wrong thing. Only one thing matters: How do you get more votes.
Last night, republicans learnt this lesson in a hard way and they are not looking for directions lest they become extinct.

For republicans, it is a losing battle against the changing and new demography in this country.
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President/Democrats won't do anything for EB immigrants. There is no ROI. There next action item would be to make all illegal immigrants legal, grant them citizenship so they they lock the latino votes for next 20/30 years in their favor.

In Politics, there is no right or wrong thing. Only one thing matters: How do you get more votes.
Last night, republicans learnt this lesson in a hard way and they are not looking for directions lest they become extinct.

For republicans, it is a losing battle against the changing and new demography in this country.
It's not going to be that bad for EB immigrants. Unfortunately, however, EB may get dealt as a part of CIR which delays relief. If Romney were to get elected, neither illegal nor legal immigrants would have seen any light. Southern republicans who staunchly supported Romney would have oppose/shelve any immigration related bill.
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With so little change or no change in house / senate and also current president getting re-elected, not sure the term "Lame Duck Session" applies entirely as only a handful of House Rep and Senators change with new congress and balance of power remaining the same and the same guys meeting again in Jan/Feb next year for a new congress, It appears business as usual. Not sure if the "Fiscal Cliff" discussion and fighting will consume all time or if other bills will get its chance. With Scott Brown from MA loosing his re-elections, not sure if he will fight for Irish Visa proposals with future career goal in mind and if he will cause more issue or will support is another question. In the end, With all the election coverage taking attention, thing will be back to normal by the time the congress returns to complete this session and only time can tell what is going on.
Also not sure why USCIS did not publish the "Pending Inventory" for 485 in Oct as they did last 2 years though it is not going to shed any new data other than a little more insight into how the porting trend is.

Ohhh that Irish visa guy is a lame duck? Good for us, probably .. he won't stand in our way as much anymore
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It's not going to be that bad for EB immigrants. Unfortunately, however, EB may get dealt as a part of CIR which delays relief. If Romney were to get elected, neither illegal nor legal immigrants would have seen any light. Southern republicans who staunchly supported Romney would have oppose/shelve any immigration related bill.
I disaree. Democratics are all about locking the Hispanic vote for next few decades. Romney on the other hand atleast mentioned in the second debate that he would take steps to help legal immigrants. I have a feeling that any immigration bill with "Legal" in it will not pass the this senate.
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I disaree. Democratics are all about locking the Hispanic vote for next few decades. Romney on the other hand atleast mentioned in the second debate that he would take steps to help legal immigrants. I have a feeling that any immigration bill with "Legal" in it will not pass the this senate.
Romney mentioned legal immigration in the debate. I watched that, I heard that, but did not believe that. There are way too many ultra conservative forces in republican party. They would not allow any immigration bill to pass. Senator Sessions and Sensenberner for example. Senator Grassley who put hold on HR3012 is a republican.

Agreed that democrats are looking at latino votebank, however, as long as we keep our advocacy going we have a good chance of piggy backing latinos in the CIR. With republican president, senate and house neither illegal nor legal would have a chance.
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What are the action items at the moment? Can somebody please tell me? I lost track in the past few days. I appreciate.
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Pappu -- In the light of the elections and re-election of Obama what is the strategy of Immigration Voice for HR 3012.

In my analysis HR 3012 will not get through in the Lame Duck. However there is potential to include visa recapture, removal of country wide quotas in CIR. But its a long story.

Politico reports that CIR will be taken up after president is sworn in Feb 2013.
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somehow i can not able to see "HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012" beyond page 99. Is it my access or it's happening to everybody?
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:14 PM
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somehow i can not able to see "HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012" beyond page 99. Is it my access or it's happening to everybody?
I am seeing same thing. But, it looks like all latest updates are upto page 99 and there is probably nothing in 100-102 pages, so thats why you cannot access it.
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I am seeing same thing. But, it looks like all latest updates are upto page 99 and there is probably nothing in 100-102 pages, so thats why you cannot access it.
Happening to me too.
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somehow i can not able to see "HR 3012 general discussion since April 2012" beyond page 99. Is it my access or it's happening to everybody?
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Pappu -- In the light of the elections and re-election of Obama what is the strategy of Immigration Voice for HR 3012.

In my analysis HR 3012 will not get through in the Lame Duck. However there is potential to include visa recapture, removal of country wide quotas in CIR. But its a long story.

Politico reports that CIR will be taken up after president is sworn in Feb 2013.
I hope IV was not pinning all hopes on Mitt being elected as president. Obama would not do anything that does not fetch him votes. Sen.Reid is a big proponent of CIR, not sure if he is going to let HR 3012 come on to the senate floor in the lame duck session.
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Romney mentioned legal immigration in the debate. I watched that, I heard that, but did not believe that. There are way too many ultra conservative forces in republican party. They would not allow any immigration bill to pass. Senator Sessions and Sensenberner for example. Senator Grassley who put hold on HR3012 is a republican.

Agreed that democrats are looking at latino votebank, however, as long as we keep our advocacy going we have a good chance of piggy backing latinos in the CIR. With republican president, senate and house neither illegal nor legal would have a chance.
Grassley was holding the HR3012 because he knew he could get away with it. If now the "soul searching" GOP decides for Dream Act, do you thing Grassley will be able to hold that "single handedly" like HR 3012. The political establishment will hammer him hard if he does that.

Ofcourse I believe some conservative GOP candidate who is safe in his conservative district or state will hold that off....so Dream Act or CIR will always be difficult. So the stalement will continue.
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Grassley was holding the HR3012 because he knew he could get away with it. If now the "soul searching" GOP decides for Dream Act, do you thing Grassley will be able to hold that "single handedly" like HR 3012. The political establishment will hammer him hard if he does that.

Ofcourse I believe some conservative GOP candidate who is safe in his conservative district or state will hold that off....so Dream Act or CIR will always be difficult. So the stalement will continue.
grassley was original sponsor of dream act

they will go for the bigger prize - cir, and after very very bitter debate, cir will fail in 2013 end ..... any one waiting for gc pinning their hopes on cir needs to go for at least 1 class at university of reason, located next door to you, if you really wants to see..... dream on my friends, dream on
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Looks like momentum is building for immigration, but sadly only for illegals.

Momentum builds for U.S. immigration reform plan - Yahoo! News

"And I think we have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year. The Republican Party has learned that being ... anti-immigrant doesn't work for them politically. And they know it," Schumer said.
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