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Post EB3-I Pedictions if H.R. 3012 passed

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Wanted to start this thread to get your thoughts or comments about cut off date predictions for EB3-I in the event H.R. 3012 is passed. At present the cutt off date is Aug 15, 2002.

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Wanted to start this thread to get your thoughts or comments about cut off date predictions for EB3-I in the event H.R. 3012 is passed. At present the cutt off date is Aug 15, 2002.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Unfortunately EB3-I will not go anywhere unless the apocalypse does happen and US runs out of people and desperately needs people to fill in this empty land. chances of apocalypse happening are about 1% better than chances of Sun rising in the west. In the mean while, EB3-I will be sandwiched between politicians, corporations, immigration attorneys, and any blood suckers who (mis)use every opportunity. sorry for being so dramatic but this is as close a description to explain EB3-I's plight.
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Unfortunately EB3-I will not go anywhere unless the apocalypse does happen and US runs out of people and desperately needs people to fill in this empty land. chances of apocalypse happening are about 1% better than chances of Sun rising in the west. In the mean while, EB3-I will be sandwiched between politicians, corporations, immigration attorneys, and any blood suckers who (mis)use every opportunity. sorry for being so dramatic but this is as close a description to explain EB3-I's plight.
I can understand your frustration. I am not sure how long you have been here/waiting....but for me it will be 13 years in this country and still the card is not in sight
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I request you all to stop responding to this thread. It is very negatvie and could be created by some person to delibertaly spread rumours with an aim discourage EB3 from supporting the HR 3012. I am EB3 and in country since 1999.
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I can understand your frustration. I am not sure how long you have been here/waiting....but for me it will be 13 years in this country and still the card is not in sight
I will be completing 14 years next month. I might wait another year at the most.
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Dont count your chicken before they hatch... divert your energy towards supporting efforts to achieve HR 3012.

Rest assured...EB3I will be in very good position after HR 3012.
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Support 3012 in 2012 by 112 congress!!!


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I request you all to stop responding to this thread. It is very negatvie and could be created by some person to delibertaly spread rumours with an aim discourage EB3 from supporting the HR 3012. I am EB3 and in country since 1999.
I am in the same boat as you are and have been in US since 1999. As matter of fact, we both have same priority year 2004. This thread has not been opened to get negative about supporting H.R. 3012. By the way I support H.R. 3012 and had contributed to immigrationvoice, have written letters to senators, congressman and have also submitted to supporting letters from my employer to support H.R. 3012 per instructions from immigrationvoice. Also, there are other threads in this forums they are predicting for EB2 I priority cut off dates. Then, I cannot see a reason why there is a problem in predicting cut off dates for EB3 I? Have you asked EB2 members not to predict cut off dates?
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I can understand your frustration. I am not sure how long you have been here/waiting....but for me it will be 13 years in this country and still the card is not in sight
At least you have EAD. Post July 2007 EB3 ppl have nothing to bank upon.
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Guys,

Wanted to start this thread to get your thoughts or comments about cut off date predictions for EB3-I in the event H.R. 3012 is passed. At present the cutt off date is Aug 15, 2002.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Again I am no expert at all and if you notice most experts are no better than anybody with a decent intelligent guessing ability. So without using lots of acronyms I would like to make my prediction.
With 3012 being passed we would notice clearing of EB2 2008 easily and well into 2009. Add the fact that after 2008 the EB2 filings (India/china) have been quite low. This will therefore force the CO to allocate visa numbers (spillovers) into the EB3 I/C (retrogressed groups) without any question.
On top of this we also have to remember that EB3 I/C will immediately get a benefit of atleast a few hundreds when 7% goes upto 15% and then keeps increasing over a 5 year period.
When we combine both of these the PD will most likely jump to mid or late 2005 by end of 2012. The CO can easily do that without fear of being flooded with applications since most of them are already filed anyways.
The movement speed will increase in 2013 for sure.
The basic thing is the 2007/2008 EB2 backlogs. Once these are cleared then I dont really think there is many blocks for numbers to fall into EB3.
Nutshell; We have lots to gain with passage of 3012 so concentrate all energy and use any resouces (social media/chinese-indian student/other social groups etc) to get in more funds for our lobbying. Everything is about lobying even though it is for the most pure and honest goals.
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I don't think you are right in speculation here.

1) Spillover visas after EB-2 I/C becomes current would not be allocated to EB3-India instead it would be allocated to EB3-ROW. It would only be allocated to EB3-India once EB3-ROW becomes current and I do not see that possibility in next 5 years.

2) You have mentioned quota would go up from 7% to 15%. This is incorrect. This quota would be abolished and visas would be allocated on FIFO basis. So if 3012 is passed then EB3-India would move to Jan, 2005 immediately (approximately) due to 40,000 visas availability in EB3 category in every year.

But I agree with other persons here on the forum that it is useless to speculate date movement if 3012 is passed now. Instead we should divert our energy to action items and more donations towards HR-3012.

Thanks

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Again I am no expert at all and if you notice most experts are no better than anybody with a decent intelligent guessing ability. So without using lots of acronyms I would like to make my prediction.
With 3012 being passed we would notice clearing of EB2 2008 easily and well into 2009. Add the fact that after 2008 the EB2 filings (India/china) have been quite low. This will therefore force the CO to allocate visa numbers (spillovers) into the EB3 I/C (retrogressed groups) without any question.
On top of this we also have to remember that EB3 I/C will immediately get a benefit of atleast a few hundreds when 7% goes upto 15% and then keeps increasing over a 5 year period.
When we combine both of these the PD will most likely jump to mid or late 2005 by end of 2012. The CO can easily do that without fear of being flooded with applications since most of them are already filed anyways.
The movement speed will increase in 2013 for sure.
The basic thing is the 2007/2008 EB2 backlogs. Once these are cleared then I dont really think there is many blocks for numbers to fall into EB3.
Nutshell; We have lots to gain with passage of 3012 so concentrate all energy and use any resouces (social media/chinese-indian student/other social groups etc) to get in more funds for our lobbying. Everything is about lobying even though it is for the most pure and honest goals.
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I don't think you are right in speculation here.

1) Spillover visas after EB-2 I/C becomes current would not be allocated to EB3-India instead it would be allocated to EB3-ROW. It would only be allocated to EB3-India once EB3-ROW becomes current and I do not see that possibility in next 5 years.

2) You have mentioned quota would go up from 7% to 15%. This is incorrect. This quota would be abolished and visas would be allocated on FIFO basis. So if 3012 is passed then EB3-India would move to Jan, 2005 immediately (approximately) due to 40,000 visas availability in EB3 category in every year.

But I agree with other persons here on the forum that it is useless to speculate date movement if 3012 is passed now. Instead we should divert our energy to action items and more donations towards HR-3012.

Thanks
Just to clarify, HR3012 eliminates country limits, so there will be no concept of EB-ROW and EB3-I after the transition period of 3 years.
1) Spillover from EB2 will go to the EB3 applicants who have been waiting the longest based on priority date, regardless of which country.
2) Yes, there will be no country based quota. Except, in the transiiton period certain % won't be FIFO and are reserved for ROW and also ensure that all backlogged countries get relief. After the transition period, everything will be FIFO.

Having clarified the details of the bill, please please put all your efforts in getting this bill through its final stages. There is a lot of positive activity going on in the background and things are looking good. But we need each and everyone's support. It is not done till it is done. NOW is the time to contribute, spread the word and actively participate in all action items. Consider how important this is to your lives and for all future employment based immigrants. And many thanks to everyone who have been diligently participating in all AIs!
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Just to clarify, HR3012 eliminates country limits, so there will be no concept of EB-ROW and EB3-I after the transition period of 3 years.
1) Spillover from EB2 will go to the EB3 applicants who have been waiting the longest based on priority date, regardless of which country.
2) Yes, there will be no country based quota. Except, in the transiiton period certain % won't be FIFO and are reserved for ROW and also ensure that all backlogged countries get relief. After the transition period, everything will be FIFO.

Having clarified the details of the bill, please please put all your efforts in getting this bill through its final stages. There is a lot of positive activity going on in the background and things are looking good. But we need each and everyone's support. It is not done till it is done. NOW is the time to contribute, spread the word and actively participate in all action items. Consider how important this is to your lives and for all future employment based immigrants. And many thanks to everyone who have been diligently participating in all AIs!
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