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Yes, we can do flower campaign too, apart from any other. No Harm. Nothing like it must be done only once.
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We need to start working again, and lets not wake up in the last moment. We need more voice.
Work goes on even if it not posted on the forum. We posted asking for volunteers few weeks ago those that fit the specific roles we were looking are now working everyday on the action item along with our counsul in DC. There is no public action item. The last major public action item was San Jose event. Those that did not show up cannot complain now. We will post any public action item when the time is right. Lastly since people post about flower campiaign, let me clarify that flowers cannot get any bill passed. It can bring the issue to attention and media coverage at the most. This is not the priority at this time. Lastly fyi The visa bulletin reversal was due to our hardworking advocacy effort in DC. Flowers only complemented that work. If flowers, spam emails and online petitions can get bills passed, there will be nobody standing in line and working day and night to advocate for years in DC.
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I didn't get what you meant by this?

Lastly fyi The visa bulletin reversal was due to our hardworking advocacy effort in DC.
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It was referring to an event that happened 5 years ago.

Spend time on the website reading about advocacy, participate , volunteer and you will understand the process. In the absence of awareness it is difficult for any new immigrant to understand politics, the way laws and fixes are done, how advocacy works etc in the country. There is more fear and naiveness instead of being able to stand up against unfairness and injustice. It is a gradual learning process and takes time and would recommend to all new members.
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Work goes on even if it not posted on the forum. We posted asking for volunteers few weeks ago those that fit the specific roles we were looking are now working everyday on the action item along with our counsul in DC. There is no public action item. The last major public action item was San Jose event. Those that did not show up cannot complain now. We will post any public action item when the time is right. Lastly since people post about flower campiaign, let me clarify that flowers cannot get any bill passed. It can bring the issue to attention and media coverage at the most. This is not the priority at this time. Lastly fyi The visa bulletin reversal was due to our hardworking advocacy effort in DC. Flowers only complemented that work. If flowers, spam emails and online petitions can get bills passed, there will be nobody standing in line and working day and night to advocate for years in DC.
Hi Pappu,
I am sorry I missed your post I am willing to volunteer. Previously I have taken part in DC event, meeting with Congress reps. I would admit I did not participate during San Jose due to unavoidable circumstances. Feel free to send an email.
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Work goes on even if it not posted on the forum. We posted asking for volunteers few weeks ago those that fit the specific roles we were looking are now working everyday on the action item along with our counsul in DC. There is no public action item. The last major public action item was San Jose event. Those that did not show up cannot complain now. We will post any public action item when the time is right. Lastly since people post about flower campiaign, let me clarify that flowers cannot get any bill passed. It can bring the issue to attention and media coverage at the most. This is not the priority at this time. Lastly fyi The visa bulletin reversal was due to our hardworking advocacy effort in DC. Flowers only complemented that work. If flowers, spam emails and online petitions can get bills passed, there will be nobody standing in line and working day and night to advocate for years in DC.
Pappu,
First, no doubt in what IV core had done so far, or doing now, or will do in future. Again, for thousands of us, IV Core is the hope. At the same time, please be humble. "Those that did not show up cannot complain now." <-- Nobody is complaining here, we are only suggesting.
"It can bring the issue to attention and media coverage at the most."<-- yes, to get their attention only. To get media attention which will in turn get more people involved. By sending flowers we are not expecting bill would pass. We are not that stupid.
Try to understand the other's point of view and please stop over-dramatize it saying spam mails blah blah.
Isnt it great even to get attention of those senators and media on the bill at this point?
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I would not like to play to the crowd and sugar coat everything. There is no business interest here like other sites. We are in this together. And from time to time, it is always good to let people know the hard cold facts. There are many naive people among us who only think by sending emails to lawmakers we can get a bill passed. They have never even once in their lifetime on IV that maybe years, even met their lawmaker. How difficult is it to take few hours off from work and go and meet the lawmaker ? A lot of awareness is needed in our community if we really want to get any bill passed. I can be nice and tell good stories and people will just sit around and gossip. But that is not the aim. Our aim is that we do not want people even needing any immigration forums anymore if we can get the bill passed. Why should we all be wasting our time in the immigration mess when we all could be doing something extra for our career growth and personal life?
There is a political reality and that reality requires each one of us to stand up and show up when we do any event. One cannot be giving excuses of hair cutting appointment or cricket match when we ask them fly to San Jose and show up. So if now if someone asks why the bill is not happening, they need to first look inside and see if they are desperate enough and willing to make sacrifices for it. Unless each one of us is desperate and willing to go an extra mile we will continue to keep discussing on the forums, distract each other with eb2 vs eb3, annonymous members will pick up issues with other annonymous members on petty things and we will all blame someone else for our own problems.
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There is no over-dramatization buddy..what pappu is saying is the reality.
Folks like him in IV-Core have been involved for 6-7 years and have probably seen hundreds of folks come up with several recycled ideas that miss the point.
I myself have seen folks throw out totally random recycled ideas and then when an actual action item comes up, the same people completely vanish. So i understand where the frustration in pappu's posts comes from. Bottomline is time for flowers is over. There could not have been more attention drawn (to relevant folks) than what was done by the IV summit.
Lets wait and watch what happens after elections now.
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First, no doubt in what IV core had done so far, or doing now, or will do in future. Again, for thousands of us, IV Core is the hope. At the same time, please be humble. "Those that did not show up cannot complain now." <-- Nobody is complaining here, we are only suggesting.
"It can bring the issue to attention and media coverage at the most."<-- yes, to get their attention only. To get media attention which will in turn get more people involved. By sending flowers we are not expecting bill would pass. We are not that stupid.
Try to understand the other's point of view and please stop over-dramatize it saying spam mails blah blah.
Isnt it great even to get attention of those senators and media on the bill at this point?
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Your post is exactly why I wrote the strong post.

You are the same person who in the past posted ideas and every time I asked you to contact IV and volunteer, never responded.

Do you even read what we write on IV? Have you tried to even understand the politics and advocacy process?

Do you really think by posting some random online petition a rule will change or a law will pass? Please Stop posting onlne petitions on this website. It only misleads other naive people like yourself.

Spend time reading this website advocacy section and IV wiki instead of tracking, gossip and useless posts.
If you sincerely want any immigration bill to pass or admin fix to be done, get actively involved, volunteer and learn what we do and how we do.
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Pappu -- Many Thanks to you and IV core for your initiatives for the community.

I have been in the US for a little over 6 years and still am trying to learn more about the political process here.

To help IV I have put a recurring contribution to IV via Paypal to provide you guys with much needed funds.

For all members I think the simple thing to do is to help make contributions to IV as much as we can to provide the core team with more resources.

Again Thanks for spearheading this effort.
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Romney's plan: Raise Visa Caps for Highly Skilled Workers (refer page 126)

Obama's Plan: None for legal immigrants, everything for illegals (Refer The clear choice on immigration — Barack Obama)
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My brother and sister are citizens here. Immigration reform (primarily fairness for skilled immigrants) is one of the main things that will help them decide their vote. Looks like Romney is pro immigrants. Obama has an Immi agenda too but doesn't look like its mainly around illegals.

I wonder how many people would be like me. Just to determine the size of the vote bank associated with people in a status like I am. Will it make a difference for the candidate to win that vote bank?
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My brother and sister are citizens here. Immigration reform (primarily fairness for skilled immigrants) is one of the main things that will help them decide their vote. Looks like Romney is pro immigrants. Obama has an Immi agenda too but doesn't look like its mainly around illegals.

I wonder how many people would be like me. Just to determine the size of the vote bank associated with people in a status like I am. Will it make a difference for the candidate to win that vote bank?
Correction: Obama has an Immi agenda too but looks like its mainly around illegals.
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Really...this is all marketing BS. If Romney wins 2012, be will try to win second term and would not do sh$% for immigrants (Legal or Illegal)....also most of his supporters are xenophobes so don't expect much...he will play to his base.

Obama on the other hand has nothing to lose if he wins 2012 and it seems that most presidents deal with immigration issues in their second terms. Obama did the Dream Act to boost up the Hispanic base....o/w he would not have touched Dream Act. Also, he wanted to hand over a hot potato to Romney in case he loses.

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to look at this issue from a family perspective,

You have two kids at home and one kid is crying whole time to grab your attention and another kid plays quietly with whatever it got (even it is a broken toy) to play with. Now think honestly, which kid you would address 1st...

Here crying and attention grabbing kid is Dreamers and quite kids is EB community. As long as we don't make enough noise with reasonable volume no president/party will address our issue until every other issue is resolved and they have nothing to do which I doubt.


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