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I can be VOLUNTEER 2...I will do this every night.

Also, it is IV leadership choice to pick the proposals they like. We are just volunteers compiling proposals in logical format.

Updated to 16 Amendment proposals


PART 2


Propose the below format:


Amendment Proposal 11:
Subject: Ensure Transparency with Immigration
Section of Bill: ?
Page/Line of Bill: ?
New addition: Y
Change or Removal of a provision: Add
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100): USCIS have to create a page which would give an approximate date as when I will get a green card. If someone has filed I-485, with the information in the application and some basic questions, they should be able to give us a Priority number! If I get the number 4757, it means i am in line and 4757 people are in front of me, so this number should keep getting lesser and lesser each day/week/month/year! With all the numbers in hand, number of people applied, the categories they are in, the number of visas available, its a basic addition/subtraction that needs to be done. This will make the system very transparent.


Amendment Proposal: 12
Subject: Extend RPI status to individuals withapproved I-140 petitions and their immediate dependants for whom DHS does not have an immigrant visa available.
Section of Bill: 2101
Page/Line of Bill:Page 59
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: y
Amending the criteria for RPI to include people with approved immigrant visa petitions and their immediate dependants (lawfully present in the country) allows these law abiding people to have the same benefits of job mobility and travel accorded to undocumented aliens who have been physically present in the country since before January 1, 2012. It bypasses the EAD issue for H4 spouses of Indian origin.


Amendment Proposal: 13
Subject: MERIT-BASED TRACK TWO: immigrant visas limited to 1/7 per year for 7 years
Section of Bill: SEC. 2302. MERIT-BASED TRACK TWO.
Page/Line of Bill: 271
New addition: N.A.
Change or Removal of a provision: Allocate visas to a minimum of 1/7 the number of aliens to whom visas have not been issued. If more visas are available due to amends to the INA (or any other reason), allocate them to the aliens even if the total goes above 1/7 for that particular year.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): If more visa numbers are available, there is no reason to limit allocating them to just 1/7 of the people who have applied 5 years ago. Giving out the available visas will avoid the repetition of the problem of available visas not being allocated to people who are waiting in the queue. This will get the previous backlogs cleared faster.


Amendment Proposal: 14
Subject: Ensure recaptured immigrant visas from 1992 to 2013 are all used up.
Section of Bill: SEC. 2304. WORLD-WIDE LEVELS AND RECAPTURE OF UNUSED IMMIGRANT VISAS.
Page/Line of Bill: 276
New addition: Ensure that the unused immigrant visas from years 1992 to 2013 will ALL be issued to people waiting in the queue for more than 5 years, regardless of how long it will take to issue them, even if it is beyond FY 2015.
Change or Removal of a provision: N.A.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The way the bill is currently worded, it sounds as if the unused visas recaptured from 1992 to 2013, should all be issued only in FY 2015. If any of those old visas are not issued in FY 2015, they may be lost forever! We know the number of those unused visas is going to be large and USCIS will most probably not be able to issue all of them within just one year 2015. Therefore, it is important to ensure that each and every one of those recaptured visas are issued even if it takes more time, beyond FY 2015, to do so.


Amendment Proposal: 15
Subject: Ensure recaptured immigrant visas from a previous year are not wasted.
Section of Bill: SEC. 2304. WORLD-WIDE LEVELS AND RECAPTURE OF UNUSED IMMIGRANT VISAS.
Page/Line of Bill: 276
New addition: Ensure that the unused immigrant visas from a previous year can be issued in multiple future years, and not just the immediate next year. For example, if X number of visas are unused in year 2016, USCIS should issue these unused visas not only in 2017, but also in 2018 and beyond until they are all used up.
Change or Removal of a provision: N.A.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The way the bill is currently worded, it sounds as if the unused visas recaptured from a previous year, can be issued in the immediate subsequent year only. For example, X number of unused visas from 2016 can be issued only in 2017, but not beyond. This limitation will once again result in a large number of unused visas accumulating year after year as it has currently happened from 1992 to 2013.


Amendment Proposal: 16
Subject: National Interest Waiver (EB2-NIW) be exempt from numerical limitations.
Section of Bill: 203(b)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 306, Line 21/22.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): NIW cases are subjective and very difficult to get approved. Due to 1998 NYDOT case, the NIW cases are adjudicated with high standards, almost comparable to EB1B. If EB1B and PhD cases can be exempt from numerical limitations, then why not EB2-NIW? Also, the new rule of petitioning within 5 years of graduation may be a disadvantage for people with US Masters degree, who want to apply under NIW category.

Anybody who think their proposal is important, please fill in above format and I shall update the list.

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We are busy in preparing amendments whereas those guys are not even going to pass anything , situation looks hopeless . Port to EB2 and wait . Nothing will happen .. Somehow this name Grassley is a bad omen for immigrant community . Not sure what does he want?
Man dont loose hope.There are 4-5 senators who wants to kill the bill rightaway,thats why they want to delay it(delay means killing the bill).However if they markup and come to vote soon(i mean late may or early june),I am sure senate will pass it.But house is not going to accept this bill in its entirity anyway.That is confirmed by leader Boblatte
Again we dont even know what's even in the house bill.Does it even say anything abt eb2,eb3 etc.

So basically its all abt timing.If this bill rushes through and House brings another bill soon to negotiate and tweak,this will pass.If it gets pushed,bill will fail.
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We will be updating summary being put together by IV members soon (currently on 2nd post of the the thread) which will clarify a lot of aspects of the high-skilled provisions.

It is surprising to see a few members here continue to post unnecessarily negative posts. I understand there is frustration with backlogs and that we want relief soon but being negative and pessimistic based on half-baked understanding of the bill is of NO use.

The bottom-line from our review so far is that this is a great bill and a NET POSITIVE for high-skilled immigrants. Sen.Schumer rightly said that it does a little bit for every group....only difference is that it does MORE than little for EB applicants. If you look at various groups out there, apart from undocumented and DREAM proponents (lets not kid ourselves...those are the main groups for whom this bill was created)....we are the ONLY group that stands to gain quite a lot wrt backlog removal (exemptions, addnl GCs since what is allotted to merit based will come to EB for 4 years. per country cap removal, visa recapture).

Thanks to the members who suggested amendments...it was of great help and we will pick the final list tommorow to finalize our proposals. Spread the msg among your network about how S.744 will help us and there we should join on the IV platform to make all future Action Items successful.
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We will be updating summary being put together by IV members soon (currently on 2nd post of the the thread) which will clarify a lot of aspects of the high-skilled provisions.

It is surprising to see a few members here continue to post unnecessarily negative posts. I understand there is frustration with backlogs and that we want relief soon but being negative and pessimistic based on half-baked understanding of the bill is of NO use.

The bottom-line from our review so far is that this is a great bill and a NET POSITIVE for high-skilled immigrants. Sen.Schumer rightly said that it does a little bit for every group....only difference is that it does MORE than little for EB applicants. If you look at various groups out there, apart from undocumented and DREAM proponents (lets not kid ourselves...those are the main groups for whom this bill was created)....we are the ONLY group that stands to gain quite a lot wrt backlog removal (exemptions, addnl GCs since what is allotted to merit based will come to EB for 4 years. per country cap removal, visa recapture).

Thanks to the members who suggested amendments...it was of great help and we will pick the final list tommorow to finalize our proposals. Spread the msg among your network about how S.744 will help us and there we should join on the IV platform to make all future Action Items successful.
If the early donors want to dance to their own tunes , they can dance here on this forum. They want politicians to see only positive responses here , just close this forum for others.
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Anyone can say what they want as long as there are facts to back it up and it is not speculation. As far as I know none of your posts or any others (except for posts with personal attacks) have been moderated.

wrt effective date clause, of course we want the bill to be enacted asap and that is the first thing everyone noticed (for e.g we immediately proposed effective date of FY after enactment of bill so if it is passed before oct 1 2013 then FY2014 it is) but if the bill is not passed before beginning of FY2014, which is very likely, then there is no option but to wait for next FY. But making it or other points seem as this catastrophic issue is overdoing it...which is the point being made. lets look at the larger picture and we have to be reasonable and logical in the changes/amendments we can ask for. Or else the people we advocate to and the staffers we work with will stop taking us seriously.

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It's absolutely correct that we should end the negativity here. As we have seen yesterday, 2 Indians testifying against fellow Indians, it proves that the only thing we need is to learn how to stay together. The bill has lots of good things for EB but at the same time it has a soft underbelly by the name H1-B. In the past H1-B has been the biggest excuse for the senators to block HR-3012. If the same politics gets played here IV might need to be pro-active by ensuring that H1-B is not blocking the primary purpose. Increasing the H1B cap was advocated by tech companies. It was never primary goal of the reform. The reform needs to streamline the EB and FB process, that's all people wanted.
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I don't think most of folks crying here about enactment and other EB provision know the earlier CIR bills(20006 and 2007).There was nothing for EB category.We have got alot in this bill.I have a few questions for EB folks who are complaining here.Did we do anything close to dreamers in terms of mobilizing the community?How many of us put our videos on you tube?How many of us give our story to media?Answer to all these is very few.So why are we complaining about effective dates and time.US is making this bill for the country not for a particular community.Immigration is privilege not right.FB is loosing a lot,DV will be abolished,undocumented immigrants will apply GC after 10 years.Almost all our provisions are in the bill,enactment dates could be different and may change during discussions.Now on H4 EAD,everybody wants that EAD should be given to all H4's but I don't see any problem with reciprocal rule.Why should US give EAD to the spouses of H1 when the country of origin of that H1 holder doesn't do the same to a US citizen.Instead of convincing US senators why don't folks convince own country leaders and call their MP's and consulate here in US.
I am not trying to be critical here but think about positives that in few years whole EB category will be current.We should applaud IV,Gang of 8 and all other folks involved in shaping up this bill.Please encourage more folks to join IV.So IV can have more resources.Stay positive and we"ll win.
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I can be VOLUNTEER 2...I will do this every night.

Also, it is IV leadership choice to pick the proposals they like. We are just volunteers compiling proposals in logical format.

Updated to 16 Amendment proposals


PART 2


Propose the below format:


Amendment Proposal 11:
Subject: Ensure Transparency with Immigration
Section of Bill: ?
Page/Line of Bill: ?
New addition: Y
Change or Removal of a provision: Add
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100): USCIS have to create a page which would give an approximate date as when I will get a green card. If someone has filed I-485, with the information in the application and some basic questions, they should be able to give us a Priority number! If I get the number 4757, it means i am in line and 4757 people are in front of me, so this number should keep getting lesser and lesser each day/week/month/year! With all the numbers in hand, number of people applied, the categories they are in, the number of visas available, its a basic addition/subtraction that needs to be done. This will make the system very transparent.


Amendment Proposal: 12
Subject: Extend RPI status to individuals withapproved I-140 petitions and their immediate dependants for whom DHS does not have an immigrant visa available.
Section of Bill: 2101
Page/Line of Bill:Page 59
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: y
Amending the criteria for RPI to include people with approved immigrant visa petitions and their immediate dependants (lawfully present in the country) allows these law abiding people to have the same benefits of job mobility and travel accorded to undocumented aliens who have been physically present in the country since before January 1, 2012. It bypasses the EAD issue for H4 spouses of Indian origin.


Amendment Proposal: 13
Subject: MERIT-BASED TRACK TWO: immigrant visas limited to 1/7 per year for 7 years
Section of Bill: SEC. 2302. MERIT-BASED TRACK TWO.
Page/Line of Bill: 271
New addition: N.A.
Change or Removal of a provision: Allocate visas to a minimum of 1/7 the number of aliens to whom visas have not been issued. If more visas are available due to amends to the INA (or any other reason), allocate them to the aliens even if the total goes above 1/7 for that particular year.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): If more visa numbers are available, there is no reason to limit allocating them to just 1/7 of the people who have applied 5 years ago. Giving out the available visas will avoid the repetition of the problem of available visas not being allocated to people who are waiting in the queue. This will get the previous backlogs cleared faster.


Amendment Proposal: 14
Subject: Ensure recaptured immigrant visas from 1992 to 2013 are all used up.
Section of Bill: SEC. 2304. WORLD-WIDE LEVELS AND RECAPTURE OF UNUSED IMMIGRANT VISAS.
Page/Line of Bill: 276
New addition: Ensure that the unused immigrant visas from years 1992 to 2013 will ALL be issued to people waiting in the queue for more than 5 years, regardless of how long it will take to issue them, even if it is beyond FY 2015.
Change or Removal of a provision: N.A.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The way the bill is currently worded, it sounds as if the unused visas recaptured from 1992 to 2013, should all be issued only in FY 2015. If any of those old visas are not issued in FY 2015, they may be lost forever! We know the number of those unused visas is going to be large and USCIS will most probably not be able to issue all of them within just one year 2015. Therefore, it is important to ensure that each and every one of those recaptured visas are issued even if it takes more time, beyond FY 2015, to do so.


Amendment Proposal: 15
Subject: Ensure recaptured immigrant visas from a previous year are not wasted.
Section of Bill: SEC. 2304. WORLD-WIDE LEVELS AND RECAPTURE OF UNUSED IMMIGRANT VISAS.
Page/Line of Bill: 276
New addition: Ensure that the unused immigrant visas from a previous year can be issued in multiple future years, and not just the immediate next year. For example, if X number of visas are unused in year 2016, USCIS should issue these unused visas not only in 2017, but also in 2018 and beyond until they are all used up.
Change or Removal of a provision: N.A.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The way the bill is currently worded, it sounds as if the unused visas recaptured from a previous year, can be issued in the immediate subsequent year only. For example, X number of unused visas from 2016 can be issued only in 2017, but not beyond. This limitation will once again result in a large number of unused visas accumulating year after year as it has currently happened from 1992 to 2013.


Amendment Proposal: 16
Subject: National Interest Waiver (EB2-NIW) be exempt from numerical limitations.
Section of Bill: 203(b)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 306, Line 21/22.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): NIW cases are subjective and very difficult to get approved. Due to 1998 NYDOT case, the NIW cases are adjudicated with high standards, almost comparable to EB1B. If EB1B and PhD cases can be exempt from numerical limitations, then why not EB2-NIW? Also, the new rule of petitioning within 5 years of graduation may be a disadvantage for people with US Masters degree, who want to apply under NIW category.

Anybody who think their proposal is important, please fill in above format and I shall update the list.

Thanks,
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Citizenship to those who paid taxes legally for 10 years.
This is a good idea. Actually there is no need to separate different kinds of immigrants. Basically have anyone who has paid tax for 10 years, has no criminal record, passes english test file for greencard himself without employer or lawyer and get greencard. Only a person who has skills and job can survive for 10 years. So only the best will be able to qualify for this and no need for complicated immigration laws and system if it is made seined like this.
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Good idea. +1 for this proposal.
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This is a good idea. Actually there is no need to separate different kinds of immigrants. Basically have anyone who has paid tax for 10 years, has no criminal record, passes english test file for greencard himself without employer or lawyer and get greencard. Only a person who has skills and job can survive for 10 years. So only the best will be able to qualify for this and no need for complicated immigration laws and system if it is made seined like this.
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Good idea. +1 for this proposal.

Amendment Proposal: 17
Subject: Naturalization for legal documented alien of 13+ years
Section of Bill: NATURALIZATION.—Section 319 (8 U.S.C. 1430)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 109.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The proposed law extends the benefit of getting naturalized in 13 years after changing the status of undocumented to RPI. We request the same to be extended to all who are physically present here in the U.S. for a extended period of 13+ years under legal non-immigrant status. In both the status, the non-citizens will pay tax, contribute to social security, abide by the laws, prove proficiency of English and Civics to get naturalized.

This will benefit only the current backlogged EB category and with the proposed law under "Subtitle C—Future Immigration", many of the backlogs under EB and FB categories will get eliminated within the 13 year period and hence no question of future naturalization issue will not arise.
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I can be VOLUNTEER 1...I will do this for today and tomorrow, then somebody(Volunteer 2) please take over. Propose the below format:

Amendment Proposal 1:
Subject:Removal of 5 year cutoff for advanced STEM degree holders
Section of Bill: (Somebody please suggest)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 305 Line 10
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: Y
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): Majority of the currently backlogged EB2 and future EB2 category applicants have earned their US advanced STEM degree more than 5 years ago by the time their employer had/will fie for green card. In order to reduce backlog for advanced STEM graduates, removal of the 5 year cutoff is very important. Alternatively it can be extended to 10 years.

Amendment Proposal 2:
Subject: Change to provision of EAD for H4 spouses
Section of Bill: (Somebody please suggest)
Page/Line of Bill: (Somebody please suggest)
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: Y
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words):

Amendment Proposal 3:
Subject:
Section of Bill:
Page/Line of Bill:
New addition:
Change or Removal of a provision:
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words):

Anybody who this their proposal is important, please fill in above format and I shall update the list.

Thanks,
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Dear LglImi

Folowing is the writeup for Amendment Proposal 2

Amendment Proposal 2:
Subject: Change to provision of EAD for H4 spouses
Section of Bill: (Somebody please suggest)
Page/Line of Bill: (Somebody please suggest)
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WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words):

Providing EAD to H-4 dependents should not be viewed purely as Family income issue. The issue involved is much broder than that. Most of H-4 dependent visa holders are women in their twenties and in almost all cases they hold professional degrees of their own and very much would like to persue their own professional careers. The present system forces them to take full time house wife status, sacrificing their professional career for living with their spouses. Their skills will outdate by the time they receive green card after 10 or 20 years of wait, which leads to their professional failure haunting throughout their life. Many time this situation leads to boredom and eventual depression leading to personal and family problems. Without an opportunity to work and persue professional careers spouses are forced in to mental and emotional stresses. Some times family faces marital problems and eventually families with these problems leave the country and go to places where both husband and wife can work and persue their own prefessional careers.
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Default Backlog will be removed when CIR go in effect.

I believe we are ignoring the fact the current backlogs will be removed when the proposed CIR becomes law. It's impossible to maintain the complexity that arises with giving undocumented workers a chance to get green card before the legal immigrants waiting in the line for last 10-12 years..

This is also mentioned in the NY times editorial.
The bill addresses this problem by temporarily raising limits to clear a backlog of 234,000 applications for employment-based permanent visas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/op...html?src=rechp

Can IV admin please check.
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Amendment proposals:
Citizenship to those who paid taxes legally for 10 years.
I think this is a good proposal given that there is a "13 year path" to citizenship for illegals. It would make it a lot more simpler for individuals to self-apply for citizenship as long as they meet 4 basic criteria.
1. Maintained legal status is in the US for 10 years.
2. Contributed to SS (40 points) for 10 years
3. Filed taxes for 10 years
4. No criminal background (felony convictions etc.)
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Amendment Proposal: 17
Subject: Naturalization for legal documented alien of 13+ years
Section of Bill: NATURALIZATION.—Section 319 (8 U.S.C. 1430)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 109.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The proposed law extends the benefit of getting naturalized in 13 years after changing the status of undocumented to RPI. We request the same to be extended to all who are physically present here in the U.S. for a extended period of 13+ years under legal non-immigrant status. In both the status, the non-citizens will pay tax, contribute to social security, abide by the laws, prove proficiency of English and Civics to get naturalized.

This will benefit only the current backlogged EB category and with the proposed law under "Subtitle C—Future Immigration", many of the backlogs under EB and FB categories will get eliminated within the 13 year period and hence no question of future naturalization issue will not arise.
why 13 years ?? If a Legal immigrant has been law abiding and paying taxes, he should get some credit than a undocumented person , So, 10 years + taxes paid + no criminal record should be the case for Legal immigrants.
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