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I think everyone will agree on this.

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Amendment Proposal: 17
Subject: Naturalization for legal documented alien of 13+ years
Section of Bill: NATURALIZATION.—Section 319 (8 U.S.C. 1430)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 109.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The proposed law extends the benefit of getting naturalized in 13 years after changing the status of undocumented to RPI. We request the same to be extended to all who are physically present here in the U.S. for a extended period of 13+ years under legal non-immigrant status. In both the status, the non-citizens will pay tax, contribute to social security, abide by the laws, prove proficiency of English and Civics to get naturalized.

This will benefit only the current backlogged EB category and with the proposed law under "Subtitle C—Future Immigration", many of the backlogs under EB and FB categories will get eliminated within the 13 year period and hence no question of future naturalization issue will not arise.
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Does anybody knows when is the Senate Vote happening?

My feeling is it can be called anytime because Democrats are really in a rush to ram it through...

Admin2/Pappu - Any action items based on the list of proposals few volunteers have been compiling, before the vote is called and then action items might be of no good....Thanks!!
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Does anybody knows when is the Senate Vote happening?

My feeling is it can be called anytime because Democrats are really in a rush to ram it through...

Admin2/Pappu - Any action items based on the list of proposals few volunteers have been compiling, before the vote is called and then action items might be of no good....Thanks!!
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Amendment Proposal: 17
Subject: Naturalization for legal documented alien of 13+ years
Section of Bill: NATURALIZATION.—Section 319 (8 U.S.C. 1430)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 109.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The proposed law extends the benefit of getting naturalized in 13 years after changing the status of undocumented to RPI. We request the same to be extended to all who are physically present here in the U.S. for a extended period of 13+ years under legal non-immigrant status. In both the status, the non-citizens will pay tax, contribute to social security, abide by the laws, prove proficiency of English and Civics to get naturalized.

This will benefit only the current backlogged EB category and with the proposed law under "Subtitle C—Future Immigration", many of the backlogs under EB and FB categories will get eliminated within the 13 year period and hence no question of future naturalization issue will not arise.
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Very good logic pay taxes and get green card and after 3 years become citizen.
where as we EB3 we are stuck in Back log PD more than 9 years old already and started H1 and labor certifications process in 2002 payingtaxes since 2001 . Still waiting for GC.
besides all lawyer and renewal fees .
Isnt this discrimination for those who are legally here and maintaining their legal status.??

Still months to wait for GC for bill to pass and implementation and execution process!!
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I am in the 4th year of H1-B1. Employer could not file PERM. Where would I fit in with the new CIR if and when enacted? It's very confusing. I would appreciate a reply. Thanks.
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I am in the 4th year of H1-B1. Employer could not file PERM. Where would I fit in with the new CIR if and when enacted? It's very confusing. I would appreciate a reply. Thanks.
Employer have to file application for greencard anyways if you want greencard. I have not seen any self application clause in CIR.You have 2 more years on H1B. If the employer wants they can file in the 2 years.
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I don't think most of folks crying here about enactment and other EB provision know the earlier CIR bills(20006 and 2007).There was nothing for EB category.We have got alot in this bill.I have a few questions for EB folks who are complaining here.Did we do anything close to dreamers in terms of mobilizing the community?How many of us put our videos on you tube?How many of us give our story to media?Answer to all these is very few.So why are we complaining about effective dates and time.US is making this bill for the country not for a particular community.Immigration is privilege not right.FB is loosing a lot,DV will be abolished,undocumented immigrants will apply GC after 10 years.Almost all our provisions are in the bill,enactment dates could be different and may change during discussions.Now on H4 EAD,everybody wants that EAD should be given to all H4's but I don't see any problem with reciprocal rule.Why should US give EAD to the spouses of H1 when the country of origin of that H1 holder doesn't do the same to a US citizen.Instead of convincing US senators why don't folks convince own country leaders and call their MP's and consulate here in US.
I am not trying to be critical here but think about positives that in few years whole EB category will be current.We should applaud IV,Gang of 8 and all other folks involved in shaping up this bill.Please encourage more folks to join IV.So IV can have more resources.Stay positive and we"ll win.
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Instead of crying foul about EAD for H4, why don't folks convince the leaders/reforms of their own country. Reciprocal treatment is justified. Why do you expect US legislation to provide charity? It completely fair and no one should disagree with this clause.
On another note, we should be thankful to IV for raising the awareness about the hardship of a small community of immigrants and ofcourse US legislation/ Gang of 8 for understanding our concern and introducing clauses to amend existing immigration laws which have "us" covered!
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I can be VOLUNTEER 2...I will do this every night.

Also, it is IV leadership choice to pick the proposals they like. We are just volunteers compiling proposals in logical format.

PART 1

Updated to 17 Amendment proposals

Propose the below format:

Amendment Proposal 1:
Subject:Removal of 5 year cutoff for advanced STEM degree holders
Section of Bill: (Somebody please suggest)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 305 Line 10
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: Y
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): Majority of the currently backlogged and future EB2 category applicants have earned their US advanced STEM degree more than 5 years ago. Many of the applicants have not yet filled for the green card but have earned US advanced STEM degree more than 5 years ago. In order to truly reduce backlog for advanced STEM graduates, removal of the 5 year cutoff is very important. Alternatively it can be extended to 10 years. This will serve the true purpose of the reform bill.


Amendment Proposal 2:
Subject: Change to provision of EAD for H4 spouses
Section of Bill: 4102
Page/Line of Bill: Page 663/ Line 23
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: Y
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words):

- If both people work in the same family, it indirectly boosts day care and other supporting industries.
- Giving more people employment authorization will simply share the current US debt. This is subject to H4 on EAD getting jobs.
- Giving away more EADs will simply generate more revenue for USCIS, that way we can help people keep their jobs without losing money.
- Most of H-4 dependent visa holders are women in their twenties and in almost all cases they hold professional degrees of their own and very much would like to persue their own professional careers. The present system forces them to take full time house wife status, sacrificing their professional career for living with their spouses. Their skills will outdate by the time they receive green card after 10 or 20 years of wait, which leads to their professional failure haunting throughout their life. Many time this situation leads to boredom and eventual depression leading to personal and family problems. Without an opportunity to work and persue professional careers spouses are forced in to mental and emotional stresses. Some times family faces marital problems and eventually families with these problems leave the country and go to places where both husband and wife can work and persue their own prefessional careers.


Amendment Proposal 3:
Subject: Just like L1 visa managers and executives, exempt the H1B managers and executives from the annual numerical limits on employment-based immigrants
Section of Bill: (Somebody please guide)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 301 Line 13
New addition: Y
Change or Removal of a provision: N
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): It does not make sense to give first preference category immigration to L1 foreign executives, while ignoring and giving second preference to H1B employees who worked hard to get promoted through ranks and became managers and executives.


Amendment Proposal 4:
Subject: Give EAD to all the approved I-140 irrespective of PD
Section of Bill: This is not there on the bill
Page/Line of Bill:
New addition: Y
Change or Removal of a provision: N
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): When they can give work authorization and travel doc for un documented , why not give EAD for all the I-140 the moment the bill is passed. After all the h1 guys are paying SS and taxes for years.


Amendment Proposal 5:
Subject: Track 2: 10 years requirement should not be continuous but can be with breaks also
Section of Bill: LONG-TERM ALIEN WORKERS AND OTHER 6 MERIT-BASED IMMIGRANTS
Page/Line of Bill: 271
New addition: should be considered for all the people who have spent more than 10 years not necessarily continuous.
Change or Removal of a provision: There should be an explanation on 10 years
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): Most of the people who are on h1 cannot stay more than 6 yrs and have to go back to home land. You can get 7th year if you have a pending EB. In case you have an EB you are covered in other sections of the bill anyways. So this is for people who have no EB in place and spent more than 10 years in US legally. So this needs to be modified stating that who have spent time in US for 10 yrs combined not necessarily continuous in any legal status l1,h1,h4,l2,b1,f1 etc


Amendment Proposal 6:
Subject: Seamless i-140/485 portability
Section of Bill: SEC. 4103.ELIMINATING IMPEDIMENTS TO WORKER MOBILITY
Page/Line of Bill: Page 664 Lines 5 -13
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: It should add the provision- Make I-140 completely and automatically portable. An Approved i-140 should stand even if employer is changed and new employer should be able to proceed with AOS when date is current. If a 485 is in progress it gets similarly carried over to new employer and also the application can be bumped up from say EB3 to EB2 by providing new job description and/or qualifications.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): As the Greencard is already approved and just waiting for a Visa Number. No point repeating every process again, and also this will remove an obstacle to job mobility lessen the indented servitude.


Amendment Proposal 7:
Subject:Include the condition that aliens in EB waiting for more than 3 years on EB-2 (or) waiting for more than 5 years on EB-3
Section of Bill :SEC. 2302. MERIT-BASED TRACK TWO. (C) ELIGIBILITY (1)EMPLOYMENT-BASED IMMIGRANTS
Page/Line of Bill: Page 270 Lines 7-13
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: An alien who is the beneficiary of a petition filed before the date of the enactment of this Act to accord status under section 203(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, if the visa has not been issued with in ("5 years after the date on which such petition was filed") should be changed to something like ("3 years after the date on which such petition was filed, if the alien holds an advanced degree (Eb-2) (or)5 years after the date on which such petition was filed").
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): IV Admin can judge how fair is this request and how important it is .Anyone, Please feel free to add your points here.


Amendment Proposal 8:
Subject: Immediately enacting visa recapture
Section of Bill: 2304
Page/Line of Bill: 276
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: Y. Change fiscal year 2015 to 2014.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The purpose is to remove the existing EB backlog as quickly as possible. If this enable for existing EB category immediately, back log will be cleared with the help of extra visas. There will be no need to Merit Based track 2 which will make EB people unfairly potentially wait for 7 more years.


Amendment Proposal 9:
Subject: Immediately enacting country cap removal
Section of Bill: 2306
Page/Line of Bill: 296
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: Y. Para named Effective Date - change to immediate.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The purpose is to remove the existing EB backlog as quickly as possible. If this enable for existing EB category immediately, back log will be cleared with the help of the fairness in the first come first serve process. There will be no need to Merit Based track 2 which will make EB people unfairly potentially wait for 7 more years.


Amendment Proposal 10:
Subject: Immediately enacting exemption of derivative beneficiaries from the count
Section of Bill: ?
Page/Line of Bill: 299
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: Y. Change to immediate
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100): The purpose is to remove the existing EB backlog as quickly as possible. If this enable for existing EB category immediately, back log will be cleared with the help of extra visas. There will be no need to Merit Based track 2 which will make EB people unfairly potentially wait for 7 more years.

Anybody who think their proposal is important, please fill in above format and I shall update the list.

Thanks,
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I can be VOLUNTEER 2...I will do this every night.

Also, it is IV leadership choice to pick the proposals they like. We are just volunteers compiling proposals in logical format.

Updated to 17 Amendment proposals


PART 2


Propose the below format:


Amendment Proposal 11:
Subject: Ensure Transparency with Immigration
Section of Bill: ?
Page/Line of Bill: ?
New addition: Y
Change or Removal of a provision: Add
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100): USCIS have to create a page which would give an approximate date as when I will get a green card. If someone has filed I-485, with the information in the application and some basic questions, they should be able to give us a Priority number! If I get the number 4757, it means i am in line and 4757 people are in front of me, so this number should keep getting lesser and lesser each day/week/month/year! With all the numbers in hand, number of people applied, the categories they are in, the number of visas available, its a basic addition/subtraction that needs to be done. This will make the system very transparent.


Amendment Proposal: 12
Subject: Extend RPI status to individuals withapproved I-140 petitions and their immediate dependants for whom DHS does not have an immigrant visa available.
Section of Bill: 2101
Page/Line of Bill:Page 59
New addition: N
Change or Removal of a provision: y
Amending the criteria for RPI to include people with approved immigrant visa petitions and their immediate dependants (lawfully present in the country) allows these law abiding people to have the same benefits of job mobility and travel accorded to undocumented aliens who have been physically present in the country since before January 1, 2012. It bypasses the EAD issue for H4 spouses of Indian origin.


Amendment Proposal: 13
Subject: MERIT-BASED TRACK TWO: immigrant visas limited to 1/7 per year for 7 years
Section of Bill: SEC. 2302. MERIT-BASED TRACK TWO.
Page/Line of Bill: 271
New addition: N.A.
Change or Removal of a provision: Allocate visas to a minimum of 1/7 the number of aliens to whom visas have not been issued. If more visas are available due to amends to the INA (or any other reason), allocate them to the aliens even if the total goes above 1/7 for that particular year.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): If more visa numbers are available, there is no reason to limit allocating them to just 1/7 of the people who have applied 5 years ago. Giving out the available visas will avoid the repetition of the problem of available visas not being allocated to people who are waiting in the queue. This will get the previous backlogs cleared faster.


Amendment Proposal: 14
Subject: Ensure recaptured immigrant visas from 1992 to 2013 are all used up.
Section of Bill: SEC. 2304. WORLD-WIDE LEVELS AND RECAPTURE OF UNUSED IMMIGRANT VISAS.
Page/Line of Bill: 276
New addition: Ensure that the unused immigrant visas from years 1992 to 2013 will ALL be issued to people waiting in the queue for more than 5 years, regardless of how long it will take to issue them, even if it is beyond FY 2015.
Change or Removal of a provision: N.A.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The way the bill is currently worded, it sounds as if the unused visas recaptured from 1992 to 2013, should all be issued only in FY 2015. If any of those old visas are not issued in FY 2015, they may be lost forever! We know the number of those unused visas is going to be large and USCIS will most probably not be able to issue all of them within just one year 2015. Therefore, it is important to ensure that each and every one of those recaptured visas are issued even if it takes more time, beyond FY 2015, to do so.


Amendment Proposal: 15
Subject: Ensure recaptured immigrant visas from a previous year are not wasted.
Section of Bill: SEC. 2304. WORLD-WIDE LEVELS AND RECAPTURE OF UNUSED IMMIGRANT VISAS.
Page/Line of Bill: 276
New addition: Ensure that the unused immigrant visas from a previous year can be issued in multiple future years, and not just the immediate next year. For example, if X number of visas are unused in year 2016, USCIS should issue these unused visas not only in 2017, but also in 2018 and beyond until they are all used up.
Change or Removal of a provision: N.A.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The way the bill is currently worded, it sounds as if the unused visas recaptured from a previous year, can be issued in the immediate subsequent year only. For example, X number of unused visas from 2016 can be issued only in 2017, but not beyond. This limitation will once again result in a large number of unused visas accumulating year after year as it has currently happened from 1992 to 2013.


Amendment Proposal: 16
Subject: National Interest Waiver (EB2-NIW) be exempt from numerical limitations.
Section of Bill: 203(b)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 306, Line 21/22.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): NIW cases are subjective and very difficult to get approved. Due to 1998 NYDOT case, the NIW cases are adjudicated with high standards, almost comparable to EB1B. If EB1B and PhD cases can be exempt from numerical limitations, then why not EB2-NIW? Also, the new rule of petitioning within 5 years of graduation may be a disadvantage for people with US Masters degree, who want to apply under NIW category.


Amendment Proposal: 17
Subject: Naturalization for legal documented alien of 13+ years
Section of Bill: NATURALIZATION.—Section 319 (8 U.S.C. 1430)
Page/Line of Bill: Page 109.
New addition: No.
Change or Removal of a provision: Yes.
WHY/LOGIC(No more than 100 words): The proposed law extends the benefit of getting naturalized in 13 years after changing the status of undocumented to RPI. We request the same to be extended to all who are physically present here in the U.S. for a extended period of 13+ years under legal non-immigrant status. In both the status, the non-citizens will pay tax, contribute to social security, abide by the laws, prove proficiency of English and Civics to get naturalized.


Anybody who think their proposal is important, please fill in above format and I shall update the list.

Thanks,
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Thanks a lot ketavnanda. Appreciate your initiative and help with putting together this list. I will take this as final list and forward to IV core.

Meanwhile, our team of volunteers reviewing the entire bill has finalized a summary and we will update the existing summary doc (2nd post of this thread) within a day or two. There have already been some clarifications/discussions on this and other threads which are useful...we encourage ALL members to take some time out and read through the bill (at least the high-skilled provisions - pages 256 - 315 and 658 onwards). This will avoid myths and false conclusions and everyone will be clear on the provisions.
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Thanks a lot ketavnanda. Appreciate your initiative and help with putting together this list. I will take this as final list and forward to IV core.

Meanwhile, our team of volunteers reviewing the entire bill has finalized a summary and we will update the existing summary doc (2nd post of this thread) within a day or two. There have already been some clarifications/discussions on this and other threads which are useful...we encourage ALL members to take some time out and read through the bill (at least the high-skilled provisions - pages 256 - 315 and 658 onwards). This will avoid myths and false conclusions and everyone will be clear on the provisions.
Thanks Sage!! Hope some these proposals finally go in as amendments....specially the 5 year STEM cutoff removal one
Also, Thanks ketavnanda!! It was nice volunteering with you....

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Senate immigration markup begins May 9.
The Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy has asked senators on the panel to file all amendments to the bill by Tuesday, May 7, by 5 p.m.
So basically if any amendments is to filed to the senate version of bill, should be in by May 7.
Senate immigration markup begins May 9 - Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com
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for the propsoed amendment 17..I hope folks have read page 110 of the bill. Not sure why you guys think it applies only to RPI.
Actually reading the sections of the bill will help resolve several myths being propagated like the backlog removal one we clarified on the other thread.

‘‘(f) Any lawful permanent resident who was lawfully
10 present in the United States and eligible for work author11
ization for not less than 10 years before becoming a lawful
12 permanent resident may be naturalized upon compliance
13 with all the requirements under this title except the provi14
sions of section 316(a)(1) if such person, immediately pre15
ceding the date on which the person filed an application
16 for naturalization—
17 ‘‘(1) has resided continuously within the United
18 States, after being lawfully admitted for permanent
19 residence, for at least 3 years;
20 ‘‘(2) during the 3-year period immediately pre21
ceding such filing date, has been physically present
22 in the United States for periods totaling at least 50
23 percent of such period; and
24 ‘‘(3) has resided within the State or in the ju25
risdiction of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration
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Sage2006: As usual misinterpretation of bill similar to EB backlog clearance.
IV core need to meet DEADLINE FOR AMENDMENTS TO S.744 -All amendments to S.744 shall be filed and circulated by 5 p.m. on May 7, 2013.
Here is the link to OFFICIAL BUSINESS MEETING NOTICE OF COMMITTEE EXECUTIVE BUSINESS MEETING AND FILING DEADLINE FOR AMENDMENTS TO S.744

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Hope IV core will come up final List amendments for EB folks ASAP.
I sincerely hope that amendment of enactment date for Section 2306. Numerical Limitations on Individual Foreign States. (Eliminating Per Country limits) to FY2014 from FY 2015 would be one of IV top priority as this would greatly help decade long waiting EB folks especially EB3-I
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