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Is there any other site where I can watch it?
Flash is dead and still some sites use it.
Try going directly to senate site

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Judiciary committee left for lunch. After lunch there is a vote scheduled on the Senate floor for another issue. So they will be back at the bill mark-up at 2:45pm.

First amendment after they come back is Grassley #67 - which requires annual audit on 1% of all the companies that filed for H-1B.
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How about country cap removal?
I think they are just discussing non-immigrant related amendments today..

i wonder why Lee-3 amendment was withdrawn? It had provision on giving EAD to H4 visa holders.. can anyone comment who saw it live?
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I think they are just discussing non-immigrant related amendments today..

i wonder why Lee-3 amendment was withdrawn? It had provision on giving EAD to H4 visa holders.. can anyone comment who saw it live?
When we are all getting greencards due to other good amendments, there is no need for EAD for H4. Most people will fall in this category.

If H4s do not want greencards, which might be a small percentage, they can get H1 easily now. The H1 quota will be significantly increased.
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When we are all getting greencards due to other good amendments, there is no need for EAD for H4. Most people will fall in this category.

If H4s do not want greencards, which might be a small percentage, they can get H1 easily now. The H1 quota will be significantly increased.
is that your view or view of the senators?

for the people who just started the process, GC is still few years away and having EAD on H4 would definitely help them..
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is that your view or view of the senators?

for the people who just started the process, GC is still few years away and having EAD on H4 would definitely help them..
If H1 quota is significantly increased, H4s can get that? I do not understand why H4s do not want H1 visa like all of us?
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If H1 quota is significantly increased, H4s can get that? I do not understand why H4s do not want H1 visa like all of us?
Try getting H1 visa in April so that you can join a company in Oct. also getting H1 is going to be even more difficult now..
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Not sure what your ill conceived views are for H4 & GC aspirants, but A) Not everybody is getting GC immediately or soon. It will be a while until this CIR sees light of the day and not amendments are guaranteed. B) Not everybody on H1/H4 has applied or been approved or even started GC process and C) H4 would either way benefit from EAD irrespective and independent of spousal GC process.

So it would be foolish to assume your views on immediate GC approvals and no EAD for H4.
If H4s are given EAD without any protection to American workers there is a risk to US workforce. America is basically getting 2-3 workers for the price of 1. Imagine how much damage it will do to wages in US. Even you yourself will not like it if you do not get pay raise or get laid off because other cheap workers are available. Even right now once a worker hits 40 or 50 he starts getting turned down in jobs because there is a cheap young immigrant available to replace. Let us not just think about ourselves but about the entire country. In H1 and greencard there is DOL process and priority is given to hire an American worker. What you are asking is to bypass this and give blanket work permit to every dependent without checking with the American market, complying with DOL wage laws and audits for the job type. It will hurt immigrants more. They will become victims of bad employers too.
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I was tuning in on and off. didn't get to hear much of High Skilled category if they have discussed.

Any thing relevant to High Skilled Immigration and effective date came up so far ?
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I was tuning in on and off. didn't get to hear much of High Skilled category if they have discussed.

Any thing relevant to High Skilled Immigration and effective date came up so far ?
Nope, its all just about H1b so far.
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More STEM -> More H1bs ? They are mixing it all up. As I can understand, more H1bs would mean, more off-shoring companies.
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Based on the flawed logic, then you must also imply...

H4 are worthless to economy since they are not competent to enter workforce on their own. They will depress everybody's wages as well. And do L2's fall in that category also per your opinion ? Also by taking your flawed logic forward, they should stop giving RPI to illegals.

Try explaning above to your spouse he/she is on H4. It's amazing how everybody else just thinks opposite or contrary of your views including CIR and USCIS.
You can still contribute to the country by volunteering to various non profits and local communities. It will earn you stripes when you lobby for your cause and give TV interviews. But none has been done by H4s.

Every H1 and employment green card holder came on his merit to US workforce. He went through the complex DOL process and USCIS process that checked various things. Employers petitioned a need and we were given the job when employer made a good faith effort to find an American first.

All L visas are flawed. People only talk about that L1a is fraud because of their selfish narrow minded thinking. Everyone getting greencard is fraud to them if he gets it before them. All L1 visas are unlimited in number unlike H1B. L1 visa has no strict checks to hire American first and no salary requirements. This is why many L1s are exploited. Do you want to be like them? L2 dependent work permit is also flawed. It should never have been there in law, but during Y2k days tech companies got whatever they wanted and nobody thought the will be so much fraud and abuse from loose provisions and loopholes.

You are comparing yourself to undocumented and your logic is that since they are getting it free you should get it free. Try going and telling that to any Senator. The moment you say the word illegal many will go ahead and block whatever you want. Do not be so arrogant and ignore people who are undocumented. Their problem is very different. And they have worked very hard for it. How many rallies have h4s done till now? They could have easily gone to streets of their towns every month and done rallies like undocumented.
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Anti H1B amendments are being defeated thick and fast. Good for foreign consulting companies.
It is sad for America. Corporate greed and power of corporate lobbying is showing more power over what is right thing to do. The post looks anti-immigrant to some if you only see the surface, but if you think more and see good proposals for healthcare bill were defeated due to lobbying by insurance companies. Gun control laws are not winning support because of the lobbying groups that are more powerful. It is not good. We should see laws that are in the interest of common people of the nation including immigrants. Anyone can google search and see how much people write about abuse and fraud by so called foreign companies and still nobody is stopping them immediately. Why?
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If H4s are given EAD without any protection to American workers there is a risk to US workforce. America is basically getting 2-3 workers for the price of 1. Imagine how much damage it will do to wages in US. Even you yourself will not like it if you do not get pay raise or get laid off because other cheap workers are available. Even right now once a worker hits 40 or 50 he starts getting turned down in jobs because there is a cheap young immigrant available to replace. Let us not just think about ourselves but about the entire country. In H1 and greencard there is DOL process and priority is given to hire an American worker. What you are asking is to bypass this and give blanket work permit to every dependent without checking with the American market, complying with DOL wage laws and audits for the job type. It will hurt immigrants more. They will become victims of bad employers too.
In a free economy competition will take care of wages. Just think how much money those H1 families will be spending just to survive. They will eventually plan for a kid (growth in day care business), larger apartments/ homes, cars, phone bills. People always tend to upgrade themselves.

If you don't support H4s getting EADs then you shouldn't support EAD for L2 visa holders. You cannot discriminate people just like that.

If the wages gets lowered, it may be better because there will be less jobs offshored which means more jobs here in US. If you think, you will get paid less, don't worry, just work hard and get yourself promoted to make even more. Competition is always better even if you don't like it.
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In a free economy competition will take care of wages. Just think how much money those H1 families will be spending just to survive. They will eventually plan for a kid (growth in day care business), larger apartments/ homes, cars, phone bills. People always tend to upgrade themselves.

If you don't support H4s getting EADs then you shouldn't support EAD for L2 visa holders. You cannot discriminate people just like that.

If the wages gets lowered, it may be better because there will be less jobs offshored which means more jobs here in US. If you think, you will get paid less, don't worry, just work hard and get yourself promoted to make even more. Competition is always better even if you don't like it.
How about giving invitation for unlimited H1b and EAD to everyone in developing countries around the world to come and work. That would be very noble.

It may lower the wages, but hey all jobs will be in America because wages will be at par with what people get in other countries. That will be real competition. Everyone will have to work harder and harder or else their job will be given to someone willing to do it for a dollar a day right here in America. Will that not be good?

Come on. Start thinking like a person who lives in this country and cares for its well being. Stop thinking about just an EAD. Corporates have selfish greed, immigrants have selfish greed and people who gets greencard have selfish motives of closing the door behind them for others. I hope what is good for the country gets done ultimately. I want to continue to see America the best country in the world for generations to come. It does not matter if we get greencard or not, the country has given so much to us and we all love it. That is why we want to stay here and are patient about it. We have not gone back after waiting for more than 5 years. That says something about the greatness of the nation of which we want to be citizens.
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