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Old 08-26-2014, 07:29 PM
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Default Let people do what they are doing

I am no pundit on these matters , but I have just let IV represent me . (do I have any other voice ?).

Will do my phone calls , rallies what ever is in my capacity & leave the rest to IV & hope. BTW advocacy walon sorry I have never been to advocacy events , so please dont bash me up here.

Every September onwards there is some news that this will happen that will happen (HR3012 remember that ? I still have the t-shirt from the SanJose rally . My friends whom I literally begged to fly in from Dallas and drive from LA still curse me for forcing them to come to the rally ) ...hota kuch nahi hai....not IV's fault at all , it is just politics. So what is the point in bashing each other up here.

I remember watching IV representatives presenting the case on c-span, i think it was some committee , they hardly gave us time to speak..now if that is how we are being heard or not heard then how can we fault IV.

IV says call senators call them,,paisa nahi lagta..if it works good for all of us , else status quo.. everyone know its politics, money , lobbying etc don't let emotions get over and fight it out here.. kuch nahi honay wala , average wait time for GC is 10 years..na jayada na kum bubble gum .

Chalo shuru ho jao galiyan baknay..
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I am no pundit on these matters , but I have just let IV represent me . (do I have any other voice ?).

Chalo shuru ho jao galiyan baknay..

All I can say --you have a very creative name --LOL
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This is not a fair language by you.
Admins gone wild? ROFLFMAO.
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Admins gone wild? ROFLFMAO.
It bothers me that one person can make the entire topic stink. I used to like visiting internet forums. Lately not because of you, but because of people who watch your shit silently, I try not to visit any immigration forums. Every now and then when I stumble into forums it bothers me that most people who visit here stay silent even when dumb shits like you attack well intended people and spending their time to fix my problems.

It doesn't bother me what you post because you are born fuckhead and that is how you are suppose to behave. What bothers me is others who silently watch people like you fuck around all over the place without at least being questioned of your intent.

Have you done anything for my problems of having to wait in backlog? If the answer is no and then if you attack people working to fix my problems and problems of thousands others, how will it be fair for me to just glance through without saying anything and pass-by when you are pissing all over the place.

We all want green card. The first thing I learned about American society is that people speak up when they see fuckers like you. Don't see others here getting angry over what handful get away with. Which is why we are all waiting in backlogs because that is what we deserve.

Handful of people like here like drop of ink in a jug of water, making the entire environment non-consumable. But people who knowing remain silent are like poison in jug of water killing anyone who might drink it by mistake.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly."
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It bothers me that one person can make the entire topic stink. I used to like visiting internet forums. Lately not because of you, but because of people who watch your shit silently, I try not to visit any immigration forums. Every now and then when I stumble into forums it bothers me that most people who visit here stay silent even when dumb shits like you attack well intended people and spending their time to fix my problems.

It doesn't bother me what you post because you are born fuckhead and that is how you are suppose to behave. What bothers me is others who silently watch people like you fuck around all over the place without at least being questioned of your intent.

Have you done anything for my problems of having to wait in backlog? If the answer is no and then if you attack people working to fix my problems and problems of thousands others, how will it be fair for me to just glance through without saying anything and pass-by when you are pissing all over the place.

We all want green card. The first thing I learned about American society is that people speak up when they see fuckers like you. Don't see others here getting angry over what handful get away with. Which is why we are all waiting in backlogs because that is what we deserve.

Handful of people like here like drop of ink in a jug of water, making the entire environment non-consumable. But people who knowing remain silent are like poison in jug of water killing anyone who might drink it by mistake.

"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly."
~ Mahatma Gandhi
"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly."
~ Mahatma Gandhi
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Default EO with a time cap

I am just wondering if it is possible to exclude dependents as a one time measure for a year or two instead of doing it as an open ended EO. Can this be done within the existing limits of the law? Such as measure might at least reduce the backlogs if not eliminate them completely. May be that way the backlash might be reduced if the EO in our case is considered overreaching. Just a thought!
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Default My 2 cents

I appreciate the effort of IV for clearing the backlog. However I have serious difference of opinion with respect to aligning with non-documented group in pushing a resolution for the immigration issue.

With HR 3012 IV alienated ROW crowd.

Maybe we should give a thought to start working with Roy Beck, and try a different way. Their position has always been clear. Just a thought.
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I appreciate the effort of IV for clearing the backlog. However I have serious difference of opinion with respect to aligning with non-documented group in pushing a resolution for the immigration issue.

With HR 3012 IV alienated ROW crowd.

Maybe we should give a thought to start working with Roy Beck, and try a different way. Their position has always been clear. Just a thought.
AceMan - I thought this country has provided everything you need? Then why even bother with different ways and Rory Becks etc. when you are enjoying all the benefits of a H1-B visa?
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AceMan - I thought this country has provided everything you need? Then why even bother with different ways and Rory Becks etc. when you are enjoying all the benefits of a H1-B visa?
When you see things as personal, your judgement gets clouded. Is that your best shot? It is not my need or my want. I respect the rules of the land. Anyways I will try and put forward my point.

On the other side you have conservative citizens group who are against immigration and they are a very powerful group. Their voices are heard across over by US Citizens. It is a different matter, lot of people don't agree with them. However decision makers don't object it. They are the voters who decide the fate of representatives now. Not 20 years down the line.

Legal immigration IV is representing is very minuscule in the big picture of immigration reform. However if IV were with the other group, the chances that legal immigrants plight, may be seen in a different light compared to the undocumented.

If you think it is not workable, counter it with your reasons, instead of harping over my benefits.
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I am just wondering if it is possible to exclude dependents as a one time measure for a year or two instead of doing it as an open ended EO. Can this be done within the existing limits of the law? Such as measure might at least reduce the backlogs if not eliminate them completely. May be that way the backlash might be reduced if the EO in our case is considered overreaching. Just a thought!
That is a pipe dream. Once interpreted, it will remain that way, till a Law is passed explicitly dealing with that topic.
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I have done some foolish things and some good things when it comes to helping IV. Before I knew how the system worked, I signed online petitions, crunched numbers and date movements, discussed why IV does not do XYZ on the forums etc. But I have done few good things - donated miles for advocacy days, sent money when possible, met with Congressman & Senators. These things made the most impact. Could I have done more? Yes.

I have personally seen how Senator's eyes lit up when I said I am from IV and he was considerate to my questions.

Over the years, I have seen the futility of convincing people online to join the mass effort of IV. Either you get it or you don't. Individuals think they can out-think IV or force IV to pickup their pet cause. With the wealth of knowledge and close links that IV has, I would say IV has thought things from more angles than nearly all of them. More importantly, it exactly knows what it is the truth and what are media games and how the system works.

Just my two cents for its worth.
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Default Another news for legal immigrants for not counting dependents...

White House considers proposals to sharply increase legal immigration - The Washington Post

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Good grief! Even with possibilities, it has to pass through tough political climate!
Go IV!
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Good grief! Even with possibilities, it has to pass through tough political climate!
Go IV!
Useful link from the above article...

http://archive.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0623backofline.pdf
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