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We would like to share with our members that in last 6 years, Immigration Voice members have organized over 15+ large advocacy events in Washington with over 3000+ Congressional meetings in DC and many more in the local districts. We have always honestly advocated that skilled immigrants must be able to live free from the clutches of their employers. We believe that in a system when immigrants have fewer rights to change employer, such an employee-employer relationship where employee is bound to the employer for a long period of times (spanning decades) often leads to lower wages or exploitation of employee, creating incentives for bad employers to hire immigrants over US workers. So the system creates an environment of exploitation of immigrants on H-1B and L-1 visa, and it puts US workers at disadvantage in the marketplace, discriminating against US workers.

The current system makes non-immigrant and pending immigrant application employees dependent on employers for a long time, often exceeding over a decade. The long backlogs make pending immigrant petition employees as probationary as a summer intern and as capable as an accomplished veteran. This combination of a bonded but highly productive immigrant employee is so attractive to employers that it makes the native born talent uncompetitive in the job market. So in the best interest of US workers and immigrant workers, it's important to level the playing field and have no one in American labor force be indebted to one employer for a long time.

In our Congressional meetings we try to share this with every office. And we honestly advocate for a system in which immigrants are free to change employer with as much ease as others in the labor pool so that there are no wrong incentives for bad employers to hire immigrants over US workers. Like any other movement in human history, we also seek freedom so we can live up to our full potential so most immigration lawyers can no longer nexus with employers to exploit unsuspecting immigrants when they come in.
It’s clear that the problem runs deep in this very complex system. And we have to be honest conversation if we want to fix the problem. We believe that the current immigration system is rigged by handful of large tech companies that try to enforce silo-monopoly over tech labor and it puts a fancy label of “high-skilled immigration” on this silo-monopoly system. But as we have witnessed, there is a great invisible power when people organize themselves to speak up to demand a more fair system. That is why there is greater awareness in many Congressional offices and they are aware of what goes on in the trenches when immigrants live at the mercy of their employers who often exploit because it is far more difficult for an immigrant employee stuck in green card backlog to change jobs without putting their pending/ongoing green card petition at risk of being revoked.

We believe that existing limits on the freedom and job mobility of employment-based immigrants make the American economy less dynamic. Immigrants should not be constrained in their career choices while working and contributing to the U.S economy. Rather, the system should encourage immigrants to work where they will provide the U.S. economy with maximum benefit. Not silo-monopoly, but market forces are the only effective way to achieve that objective. We ought to want to unleash the full potential of immigrants for the benefit of all society, rather than forfeiting much of the potential economic gain for society so that specific or selected existing employers can harness some lesser percentage of the benefit for themselves.

Clearly this is complex issue. That is why we ask our members stuck in backlogs to see through the bullshit posted online and make up your own mind to understand who is on which side. It's no secret that we have never been big fans of immigration lawyers because we believe (which is why it is also our policy position) that most immigration lawyers and most employers are part of nexus that promotes and protects a system of exploitation of immigrant employees and a system of discrimination of US workers. We did mention this in our comments that we submitted to the Administration/DHS in our response to the RFI and we make it a point to share this position with every Congressional office every time we meet.

We ask our members to not be intimidated by immigration lawyers. We think that the legislative priorities of companies, immigration lawyers, or their Advocacy organizations are different from our legislative priorities for employment based fixes. We would caution our members so you are careful when looking at solicited or unsolicited advice about advocacy from any immigration lawyer. Because the more and better informed people are often the more successful people.
There can not be more logical explaination that can be found anywhere on internet. If people are interested in listening to logic, this is it. Those who are sitting in lawyer's camp, it is time to reevaluate which camp you are in. It is time to believe that we as Indians can make a change. We all take leaves for our personal enjoyment. Why not take a leave for the thing that you most care about ? You will have most amazing experience that you are ever going to have and you will have first hand experience of how things work on ground. Once you do this, you will never feel the need of going to online forums and ask seemingly intelligent people or lawyers who gather data online, and give predictions unlike IV which directly hears from administration. The choice that peoole need to make is do they want to continue writing anonymously online which is easy but does not achieve anything and which is not read by administration or join advocacy and talk to real people and make a difference.
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Thumbs up Bravo!!!

Excellent explanation by the Admin. I hope it will open eyes of IV members who hasn't been part of any advocacy events in past.

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Thanks for sharing. It seems this guy wrote this and directed at our messages. So let us respond as fairly as possible.

First of all, based on this write-up we believe that this person doesn't know much about how the advocacy works. We think that anyone talking about Admin fix for recapture just doesn't seem to know what they are talking. So we think most of this is unrealistic number-throwing exercise to somehow make a show that someone is in the know.

Healthcare.gov was close to a billion dollar project. We don't need to remind anyone about the technical difficulties associated with healthcare.gov. "technical difficulties" are possible and can delay announcements, and they did as we are told by the Administration. Some people will smell what they want to smell. We are honest in sharing the developments and don't have to explain it this guy the least. For others, as we shared earlier, this is what the Administration told us and this is what we shared with our members. If this guy has a problem with the term "technical difficulties", then it sounds more like their personal problem.

And lastly, this post seem to suggest that the Administration delayed making public announcement because somehow people came to know there was going to be a public announcement, which is meant for public? We must admit that we have read many weird things online but this whopper tops them all. We can share confidence because we have been told that this is not the reason for the delay.

At one time this guy said nothing was suppose to happen. Then he seem to suggest that Administration delayed because of IV. If you talk to him, ask him, which one is it?




Is the first paragraph here seems to imply pay-to-play situation which is illegal in the context of lobbying? We never ask or suggest our members to engage in illegal activities like pay-to-play. We ask you to please not follow anyone if they suggest you to engage in pay-to-play or any other illegal activity.

We think that the rest of this narrative is all over the place so we will make an effort to adequately address rest of this post.

For the information of our members, Compete America is a coalition and Immigration Voice is member of this coalition.
See here: Members | Compete America

We think it is a false statement that "Compete America has spent One Billion Dollars on immigration lobbying efforts". Not even close. We think that even Compete America will reject that statement :-)

Compete America's top priority is to increase H-1B visas numbers. Because the work of the coalition is associated with skilled-immigration, IV is one of the members of this coalition. But our priority is different - IV's priority is eliminating EB green card backlogs to improve the quality of life of backlogged immigrants. Like any other advocacy coalition, this coalition has partners/members with different priorities in the same space, which is normal.

Without a doubt money is important to run advocacy organization, for conducting events and push for agenda/bills, but money is not everything. If money could buy Congress to pass bills then why is H-1B bill not already passed? For over 10 years companies have been lobbying for Congress to pass a bill to increase H-1B visas. It is difficult to keep a score of the number of champions of H-1B visa bill. If Compete America has spent a billion dollars, then why hasn't H-1B visa bill not passed, because as this narrative said, seemingly someone "successfully inserting a provision into a major immigration bill that was signed into law" which to us sound like a bribe of "tens of thousands of dollars". If Compete America "have spent more than One Billion Dollars on immigration lobbying efforts (including recapture and reinterpretation)", then why is recapture not done yet? Why is reinterpretation/dependents count not fixed? Don't some genius lawyers keep posting that recapture and dependents count fix is slam dunk Admin fix? Then why is it not done even after spending a billion dollars. It is reported that in the last election cycle, each candidate spend close to a billion dollars on the election. Is increasing H-1B visa more expensive than Presidential election? Why would that be when Compete America “have personally visited all 535 members of Congress multiple times”?

Let us also share other pertinent information with the members. Why don't you search online for any company or immigration law firm that is advocating for employees being able to change jobs while waiting for green card, get EAD/AP at I-140 stage, and employer not being able to withdraw approved I-140, getting access to your immigration paperwork/file and ability to file AOS when the VB dates are not current. Let's see how many such companies or an immigration law firm you are able to find. We don’t think that you can find more than a handful company/law firm talking about these fixes but these fixes will not appear on their priority list. Rather how many people heard on the USCIS conference call that immigration lawyers were commenting and suggesting USCIS to not let immigrants change jobs or get EADs after I-140?

It is public knowledge that Compete America opposed Warren amdt #1532 in Immigration Reform bill of 2013 (S744) because that amendment would have given certain basic freedoms to skilled immigrants. We have differences with groups that oppose Warren amdt type of fixes. We know that there are companies that have advocated opposing our Admin fixes designed to free skilled immigrant workers from the clutches of the employers and lawyers. So we think that anyone suggesting that Compete America is doing heavy lifting for these Admin fixes for immigrants and EB backlog aren’t telling the truth, not even close. Adding more people to the system/backlogs is not the same as working to address the problems of existing immigrants in the backlogs.

It is also important for people to know the truth about our work. IV has also met with all 435 House offices and 100 Senate offices, many times over. And we can surely tell you that we did not spend a billion dollars. We have also been fortunate to share our fixes with the DHS and White House staff, which is why our fixes made into President’s Executive Action on Immigration. Why else do you think the fixes end up in the final package? Who else asked for these fixes? Companies/Lawyers? Can you imagine companies or lawyers asking to free up skilled immigrants from their clutches?

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Great reply by IV. Appreciate all the efforts put in by all the active committed members behind the scenes.

@mugembo, i'll see you again next month in DC. you remember me right?

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Great reply by IV. Appreciate all the efforts put in by all the active committed members behind the scenes.

@mugembo, i'll see you again next month in DC. you remember me right?

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Regarding recapture IV maintains it is difficult by EO or EA. Then Why that short campaign to get signature from congressmen on March. That is if we think that legally not viable then why we have to try. So IV also thinks there may be a possibility of recapture by EO?

For Compete America h1b is first priority. But still other backlog removal items are in their list. So they want H1b badly but additionally trying backlog removal. So we cannot say they are not lobbying for backlog removal
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Smile Thank you IV

Thank you IV for such a detailed explanation. A newbie here. Have been following IV on Facebook and occasionally on IV Forums.

It is quite clear from your explanation that IV is the only organization who is seriously perusing freedom for people stuck in EB GC backlogs.

I have spent countless hours on various forums tracking my case, but now I have decided to be part of the movement and do something for myself and others like me.

I just donated $100 to begin with and I would love to be part of any future advocacy events.
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Regarding recapture IV maintains it is difficult by EO or EA. Then Why that short campaign to get signature from congressmen on March. That is if we think that legally not viable then why we have to try. So IV also thinks there may be a possibility of recapture by EO?

For Compete America h1b is first priority. But still other backlog removal items are in their list. So they want H1b badly but additionally trying backlog removal. So we cannot say they are not lobbying for backlog removal
Because behind the scenes recapture was under discussion at the time and there is no harm trying to push for it.

Note that IV said that it was difficult not impossible. The point IV was trying to make is there are some commonsense things that we are almost guaranteed to accomplish if we push for it (like I140-EAD, Same or Similar job portability) and IV does not want to spend too much energy trying to push things whose outcome extremely unlikely.

Also note that no one else was pushing for those commonsense things (like I140-EAD, Same or Similar job portability). We know that Immigration Lawyers and Companies are in cahoots to play the following game:
1. Loudly, repeatedly and publicly ask for Recapture and dependent exemption , something that they know is very very difficult and almost impossible to accomplish.
2. Ask for nothing else for us except #1 above.
3. When nothing comes back, tell the community -- "see we tried our best, now get back to work and make me rich".

If on the off hand chance, they GOT recapture & dependent exception --- they won't be any worse off than if they commonsense fixes had gone through.

So for them, they converted a loose-loose situation (loose if common sense fixes happen & loose if recapture happens) into something like a win-loose situation (win if recapture does not happen and loose if it does).

They also tried to stack the odds against recapture happening by limiting their demands to more H1's from the administration --- that's right, behind the scenes they weren't pushing for recapture very hard. All the recapture noise was purely for public consumption.

We should all be thanking our stars IV was there to see through this bullshit and push for OUR interests.
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Thank you IV for such a detailed explanation. A newbie here. Have been following IV on Facebook and occasionally on IV Forums.

It is quite clear from your explanation that IV is the only organization who is seriously perusing freedom for people stuck in EB GC backlogs.

I have spent countless hours on various forums tracking my case, but now I have decided to be part of the movement and do something for myself and others like me.

I just donated $100 to begin with and I would love to be part of any future advocacy events.
You will get your chance. Their is an advocacy event June 14th to June 16th. The signup link will be published shortly.

Meanwhile you can "like" the FB page so you get latest updates pushed to you and signup for the newsletter at newsletter.immigrationvoice.org
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I am also decided to join the advocacy event in June. On Facebook I said Yes to joining. Do I have to do something else?
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braveone, usually they send out an email to signup so everyone can provide information for the meetings..... this is usually send a month in advance... keep an eye out.... i will paste here when i see it for you to know
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braveone, usually they send out an email to signup so everyone can provide information for the meetings..... this is usually send a month in advance... keep an eye out.... i will paste here when i see it for you to know
thank you, that will be helpful, is here anything else
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that is it.... after that someone generally communicates via email...... you will see....
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I am also signed up for the event. Should I also expect an email before booking my air tickets.
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if you signed up then you will also get email

btw, i am not part of iv core so i am not sending you emails if that is what you are asking
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I've already made air reservations. You are saying I should have waited?
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