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It has come to our attention that people are tweeting at USCIS - If you are, your rage is mis-directed. The culprit is DHS. If you must tweet, the targets should be below:

@DHSgov
@Cecilia44
@vj44
@POTUS

And the Hash Tags are:

#visagate2015
#ImmigrationAction
#VisaBulletin
#Brokenpromises


While we think about next steps, if you are jonseying for something to do, the highest impact thing to do is visit local offices with printouts of the two VB's and explain to them what is going on, the next best thing is to call your Rep/Senator DC office.

Regardless of whether you visit or call, at this stage be prepared for your contact to give you DHS official BS explanation. Use the talking points below to counter:

1. Always start by throwing the Immigration Voice name around with confidence! Start any conversation or email by saying you are a grassroots IV volunteer. It will make you sound more powerful than you really are - and they will take you more seriously.
2. DoS & DHS acknowledged making a mistake
3. You and your employer are out 5-10K per family.
4. They had 9 months to get this right - since the EO was announced
5. This is not your fault, there is precedent for them to revert to a prior VB when they make a mistake (2007).
6. Tell them not to call DHS or DoS, because they will just come up with more bogus explanations. Tell them to call the WH Legislative Office to fix this and the only appropriate fix is to roll back the earlier VB. For Democratic offices, you can tell them to pass on to the WH the message that DHS and DoS are screwing up implementation of the Presidents Executive Order on immigration - his legacy.


Only tweet if you are too lazy to reach out to your Rep's office in a more substantive way. But if you must tweet. please at-least tweet at the right people.
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Participated in the action item this time and in 2007. Was a huge supporter of HR.3012, spent long time with an abusive employer who held my pay stubs and refused to give me my I-140. Went through unimaginable torture getting out of there. The below post got my blood boiling.


Everybody should read that thread from 2012 where Siskind and AILA sides with abusive employers over IV in 2012 when pushing for HR.3012.

That @ssh013, how can he defend this system?
I read the Greg's postand All the posts related to "Immigration" v/s "Immigrant". IV's focus and interest is to serve the Immigrant Community of which I am part of! They dedicate themselves to the needs of Immigrants that sometimes conflict with the needs of the "wanna-be Immigrants".

Immigration lawyers business model encompasses both - they need to serve the immigrants and the "wanna-be" immigrants in order to enhance their business and make profits. There are issues, like HR.3012, where Immigration lawyers will side with the "wanna be" Immigrants and that may conflict with the interests of the "Immigrants". When this happens IV and the Immigrant community is justified to push back on the Immigration lawyers and pursue our interests.

In the case of the #visabulletin, I still have not found anything to suggest even remotely that Greg is working at cross purposes with our interests. IV, Greg, You and I have shared interests on this issue. I believe it is counter-productive to look at some past issue where Greg may have been at cross purposes with our objectives and then declare "I shall never ever talk to you again" - That is childish, immature and will not serve our purposes. We need to build coalitions on this issue - and when we move on to the next issue which is HR.3012 it may well be a different coalition. I believe IV is already doing that. They have supported the lawsuit filed by Greg.

Regards to your abuse with your previous employer - That is patently wrong. Such employers should be put behind bars. However, you cannot paint all employers and lawyers with the same brush. My experience has been different. I started with a small Indian Consulting Company who filed my H1 6 years ago - After 6 months I switched to the client which is a an american company. The Indian Consulting Company was graceful when I switched. Again - I have heard horror stories similar to yours from other consultants who worked for the same Indian Company - So I will not venture to say that they are a good company - But I did not face any issues.

Now, If Grassley's "Anti Fraud" measures were in place, I don't think I would have ever come to this Country. Whether I support a system that is completely filled with fraud - I will not be judgmental. In fact this Country was built using slave labor and every other immigrant community since then has resorted to "creative means" to come to this country which may be called as fraud.

The point I am trying to make is - It is in our interests to see through intentions , motives and self-interests of all parties concerned - IV, Immigration lawyers, Employers, other advocacy groups - and provide issue -based support and gently nudge these groups when they start working at cross purposes.

I agree with you - We should not worship anybody - Lawyers, IV or Employers. We should always ensure we are vigilant and smart enough to align with folks who have shared interests and commonality of purposes.
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Can everyone go to this link and click on "This story Belongs to CNN"
Lawsuit filed against USCIS and DOS - CNN iReport
If there is a lot of interest they will pick it up. What does Admin's think.







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It has come to our attention that people are tweeting at USCIS - If you are, your rage is mis-directed. The culprit is DHS. If you must tweet, the targets should be below:

@DHSgov
@Cecilia44
@vj44
@POTUS

And the Hash Tags are:

#visagate2015
#ImmigrationAction
#VisaBulletin
#Brokenpromises


While we think about next steps, if you are jonseying for something to do, the highest impact thing to do is visit local offices with printouts of the two VB's and explain to them what is going on, the next best thing is to call your Rep/Senator DC office.

Regardless of whether you visit or call, at this stage be prepared for your contact to give you DHS official BS explanation. Use the talking points below to counter:

1. Always start by throwing the Immigration Voice name around with confidence! Start any conversation or email by saying you are a grassroots IV volunteer. It will make you sound more powerful than you really are - and they will take you more seriously.
2. DoS & DHS acknowledged making a mistake
3. You and your employer are out 5-10K per family.
4. They had 9 months to get this right - since the EO was announced
5. This is not your fault, there is precedent for them to revert to a prior VB when they make a mistake (2007).
6. Tell them not to call DHS or DoS, because they will just come up with more bogus explanations. Tell them to call the WH Legislative Office to fix this and the only appropriate fix is to roll back the earlier VB. For Democratic offices, you can tell them to pass on to the WH the message that DHS and DoS are screwing up implementation of the Presidents Executive Order on immigration - his legacy.


Only tweet if you are too lazy to reach out to your Rep's office in a more substantive way. But if you must tweet. please at-least tweet at the right people.
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Hi All,

I a new member on this forum and I love the work that you IV has been doing. I would like to participate in this effort to get freedom for all of us from these ridiculous backlogs.

Clearly, we have to fight for our causes! As they say, nothing is free in this world!

I reside in georgia and I have just emailed Senator Perdue. I plan to contact other nearly officials whom I can meet in my free time and ask them to help us in fixing this recent bulletin mess.

Please let me know if there is anything specific that I need to do. I plan to start calling up the representatives soon. However, talking with someone who has had experience on this would be a better idea.
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I read the Greg's postand All the posts related to "Immigration" v/s "Immigrant". IV's focus and interest is to serve the Immigrant Community of which I am part of! They dedicate themselves to the needs of Immigrants that sometimes conflict with the needs of the "wanna-be Immigrants".

Immigration lawyers business model encompasses both - they need to serve the immigrants and the "wanna-be" immigrants in order to enhance their business and make profits. There are issues, like HR.3012, where Immigration lawyers will side with the "wanna be" Immigrants and that may conflict with the interests of the "Immigrants". When this happens IV and the Immigrant community is justified to push back on the Immigration lawyers and pursue our interests.

In the case of the #visabulletin, I still have not found anything to suggest even remotely that Greg is working at cross purposes with our interests. IV, Greg, You and I have shared interests on this issue. I believe it is counter-productive to look at some past issue where Greg may have been at cross purposes with our objectives and then declare "I shall never ever talk to you again" - That is childish, immature and will not serve our purposes. We need to build coalitions on this issue - and when we move on to the next issue which is HR.3012 it may well be a different coalition. I believe IV is already doing that. They have supported the lawsuit filed by Greg.

Regards to your abuse with your previous employer - That is patently wrong. Such employers should be put behind bars. However, you cannot paint all employers and lawyers with the same brush. My experience has been different. I started with a small Indian Consulting Company who filed my H1 6 years ago - After 6 months I switched to the client which is a an american company. The Indian Consulting Company was graceful when I switched. Again - I have heard horror stories similar to yours from other consultants who worked for the same Indian Company - So I will not venture to say that they are a good company - But I did not face any issues.

Now, If Grassley's "Anti Fraud" measures were in place, I don't think I would have ever come to this Country. Whether I support a system that is completely filled with fraud - I will not be judgmental. In fact this Country was built using slave labor and every other immigrant community since then has resorted to "creative means" to come to this country which may be called as fraud.

The point I am trying to make is - It is in our interests to see through intentions , motives and self-interests of all parties concerned - IV, Immigration lawyers, Employers, other advocacy groups - and provide issue -based support and gently nudge these groups when they start working at cross purposes.

I agree with you - We should not worship anybody - Lawyers, IV or Employers. We should always ensure we are vigilant and smart enough to align with folks who have shared interests and commonality of purposes.
The entire premise of your post is bogus. Employers need someone to do the work and have worked with Immigration Lawyers to create and perpetuate an underclass of cheap labor for them to exploit and abuse. By virtue of being a part of the system, refusing to speak up against the system and in the case of that (UPDATE/ACTION ITEM:HR3012: Ask your employer to sign this petition supporting HR3012) post - actively defending the system - Greg is a part of the part of the problem. If it weren't for Greg and people like him, you (and I) would be free to change jobs and live without fear of having our lives uprooted in an instant.

Companies need the labor and as long as they need the labor and you were willing to come here - you would be here. If Grassley's anti-fraud provisions were in place, big corporations would be forced to take people on the payroll and give benefits instead of treating people like disposable contractors (aka "Consultants"). We all deserve better than this. You might have gone through a good experience, but from the interactions we have with our membership - let me assure you you are in a tiny minority. Indian H1-B's stuck in backlog are vulnerable to abuse - and we are abused.


And you are the one being immature here. We support Greg in his lawsuit and wish him well.

When it is over, we will go back to pushing for HR.213, pushing back on attempts to make the backlog worse by adding H1's w/o GC's and fighting for the rights of people who are being abused by employers -- and on every item Greg and AILA will be in our way.

Our interests (and yours) conflict with Greg and AILA's interests at a deep, core and fundamental level -- playing "happy family" when you have such diverging interests doesn't work. This "alliance" is purely transactional.

We have discovered that people that disagree with our position generally suffer from some form of Stockholm syndrome whose only cure is one lobby day event, where they can see with their own eyes what is going on.
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I clicked "This belongs to CNN" and posted comments too. We shall do everything that we can. No stone unturned.
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Could IV team put together a standard message regarding this VB fiasco that people can email to their congressman/senators? I know, there have been talking points written but we need something more focused. If there is already something written up, please kindly direct me there. It is important that we reach out to lawmakers with the same message and this coordinated emails will continue to put pressure on them to take some action. I reached to Illinois senator Durbin's office couple of days back and they have called me and told me send an email through their website with my issue/concerns.
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I agree...that's the same parallel message I posted on our other forum "October-visa-bulletin-flower-campaign-fight-for-justice"....here they are:

@IV admins,

Do you recommend sending emails to our respective district reps who represent in HOR? If so, can someone paste the body line so that even new members can go ahead and send them emails to generate a strong push...Like someone said, let's not have any stone unturned....
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Can everyone go to this link and click on "This story Belongs to CNN"
Lawsuit filed against USCIS and DOS - CNN iReport
If there is a lot of interest they will pick it up. What does Admin's think.
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Companies need the labor and as long as they need the labor and you were willing to come here - you would be here. If Grassley's anti-fraud provisions were in place, big corporations would be forced to take people on the payroll and give benefits instead of treating people like disposable contractors (aka "Consultants"). We all deserve better than this. You might have gone through a good experience, but from the interactions we have with our membership - let me assure you you are in a tiny minority. Indian H1-B's stuck in backlog are vulnerable to abuse - and we are abused.
You said it much better. This H1-B system and backlog is just a fraud and there is no need for it to be this way. I still remember my employers lawyer in that nice office who was so sympathetic but did absolutely nothing to help. I begged him for a copy of my I-140, but he wouldn't give it to me. He didn't even tell me that I could get it directly from USCIS or try to help me even though I told him everything. All he said was nice words. The stress I and my wife went through was unbelievable.


I think we have been beaten down so much people are scared to go up against these people. Kudos to IV for taking them on and not being scared. Don't listen to these cowards who want you give in to them.
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Hi, Admin's and Senior members before reacting to my message , i request you to take one min and think.
So i know what your feeling about petitions and i agree with you. But right now , there were 3 petitions all for GC and EAD which did not meet the expected Numbers.
I just noticed that all the elections candidates speak something about all the topics that have been so popular. they feel the public demands at least an explanation. I see so many of the immigration sites are asking others to sign these petitions and its only here that you guys say dont.
But my question is have we ever met 100K signatures before to say , it does not work?
Does the Visa bulletin reversal have anything to do with passing in congress?
Or can White house and DHS can do anything about it without going through congress??
If you say yes, i urge you guys to make this one meet the Signature Limit.
It comes as very weak case and not popular. Representatives and campaigns matter. But pulich demand tops everything. Everyone in politics works to get recognition. And if they work on something there is no recognition. it does not catch their interest.
Please think about it.
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Hi, Admin's and Senior members before reacting to my message , i request you to take one min and think.
So i know what your feeling about petitions and i agree with you. But right now , there were 3 petitions all for GC and EAD which did not meet the expected Numbers.
I just noticed that all the elections candidates speak something about all the topics that have been so popular. they feel the public demands at least an explanation. I see so many of the immigration sites are asking others to sign these petitions and its only here that you guys say dont.
But my question is have we ever met 100K signatures before to say , it does not work?
Does the Visa bulletin reversal have anything to do with passing in congress?
Or can White house and DHS can do anything about it without going through congress??
If you say yes, i urge you guys to make this one meet the Signature Limit.
It comes as very weak case and not popular. Representatives and campaigns matter. But pulich demand tops everything. Everyone in politics works to get recognition. And if they work on something there is no recognition. it does not catch their interest.
Please think about it.
IF you get to 100K signatures, you will get a bland statement from the WH about the same bullshit about them unable to do simple arithmetic.

What you need to fix this is serious pressure, not some silly petition. We know exactly who in the WH will get that petition IF you get to 100K signatures and can even tell you which garbage can it will end up in.

435 members of congress calling the WH is one way to do it and media is another way. Petitions are a waste of time and will only suck away energy from things that will work. People are getting tired of explaining the same thing over and over.
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Friends,

Signing a petition online doesn't take more than 10 seconds to anyone. I heard from IV admin to not fall for signing the petitions. However I am of the guy who takes the approach of sending flowers to DHS office as well as signing the petition, posting my view on FB, waiting for a common subject line & message body to send email to House of Representatives and Senators.

All this being online does not sweat us at all. So I would go ahead and do all this. Like I said before, let's not leave any stone unturned until our voices are heard loud and clear.

If this makes sense, go ahead by all means....If not, sit silently and expect someone else to do your work and give you the results you expected in the first place.
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i know that nothing will happen. but you got nothing to lose. they might look just look at the number.
We don't even know what will happen if it meets 100k
If nothing happens at least we can blame them on that. If something happens Good for us.
But i say we should at least give it a try.Wouldn't it help even a little bit when someone meets a representative and show a government site which says 100k people supported it?
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Hi, Admin's and Senior members before reacting to my message , i request you to take one min and think.
So i know what your feeling about petitions and i agree with you. But right now , there were 3 petitions all for GC and EAD which did not meet the expected Numbers.
I just noticed that all the elections candidates speak something about all the topics that have been so popular. they feel the public demands at least an explanation. I see so many of the immigration sites are asking others to sign these petitions and its only here that you guys say dont.
But my question is have we ever met 100K signatures before to say , it does not work?
Does the Visa bulletin reversal have anything to do with passing in congress?
Or can White house and DHS can do anything about it without going through congress??
If you say yes, i urge you guys to make this one meet the Signature Limit.
It comes as very weak case and not popular. Representatives and campaigns matter. But pulich demand tops everything. Everyone in politics works to get recognition. And if they work on something there is no recognition. it does not catch their interest.
Please think about it.
Our flower campaign is like the petition - only exponentially more impactful. It is still ongoing -if you have not sent flowers, please do so ASAP.

There are tons of WH petitions - how many of them are getting mainstream media coverage like this?
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