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Old 10-06-2015, 01:33 PM
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On a more productive note - called 2 house reps and senator gillibrand's office in NYC and was asked to call the DC office which I did as well, this was mid of last week. The person I spoke to exasperatedly at Gillibrand's office said "yes ma'm, we've received numerous calls about this issue. Apparently it was a miscalculation". I did try and explain to him how it could NOT be a miscalculation, but not sure how effective it was.

Just losing hope if we will ever get a victory, even small wins like VB Bulletin are facing so much push back.

On the other hand, I saw Mr Chaffetz is running for House rep, any chance HR 213 will get introduced?
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Another thought - what if some of these reps/senator offices are saying "yes yes we are working on it" just to stop us for calling? Who knows what they are doing in reality?

Sorry guys, just feeling a bit hopeless today
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On a more productive note - called 2 house reps and senator gillibrand's office in NYC and was asked to call the DC office which I did as well, this was mid of last week. The person I spoke to exasperatedly at Gillibrand's office said "yes ma'm, we've received numerous calls about this issue. Apparently it was a miscalculation". I did try and explain to him how it could NOT be a miscalculation, but not sure how effective it was.

Just losing hope if we will ever get a victory, even small wins like VB Bulletin are facing so much push back.

On the other hand, I saw Mr Chaffetz is running for House rep, any chance HR 213 will get introduced?
Every contact with your representative is a step towards victory. Please dont lose hope.
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Prove that you are not a bot

what is ((2+2) * 5) - (2+1) = ???

I arranged an apple pic while signing up, bot cannot do this, you have given a BODMAS prob that a bot can do..

can you prove you are not a bot? What came first, chicken or egg?

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I guess so- AILA is American.

ABIL is Global.
I mean is it the same people doing flipping around between the two? If you are tired of U.S., you go global and vice versa?
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Sorry I mean House Speaker, not rep
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Wonder how did that dead TRO work out for his fans ? Haven't seen a lot of action from them since yesterday...

Someone mentioned that the godly lawyer had written a book on The Lawyer's Guide to Marketing on the Internet. Check it out! http://www.amazon.com/The-Lawyers-Gu.../dp/1590311183

He is definitely doing a great job following his principles outlined in that book
Is it really dead? I haven't seen any news or updates on it.
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Is it really dead? I haven't seen any news or updates on it.
how come you're a raccoon and cannot smell a dead fish? (J/K)
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how come you're a raccoon and cannot smell a dead fish? (J/K)
Yeh smell might be also from the Rotten Flowers at DHS dumpster.
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Yeh smell might be also from the Rotten Flowers at DHS dumpster.
Guess what!? The fanboys are upset that the scamster ran away with their monies..
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I would call them sepoys of the British Raj
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Wait guys ....tracka stays on this forum please. We need him.

Tracka - should I send medicals with the 485 even though I am not sure they will accept it?

Man this VB has caused me TB!
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Man this VB has caused me TB!
may be you should file for a class action lawsuit for irreparable damage.
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If signing a letter will wash all the sins of yesteryears, then why is anyone sent to jail? Just ask every one to sign a letter and that will cleanse all wrongdoing. Why do we dislike or not want to work with anyone, just ask them to sign a letter, and that should take care of it. Immigration lawyers for years have been working AGAINST skilled immigrants stuck in backlogs. As we said earlier, we believe that Immigration lawyers are "pro-immigration" but they are also "anti-immigrant".

Maybe other lawyers are doing bad things and some lawyers are good, then this explanation could be acceptable. But then let us ask this:

1.) Why are the lawyers who claim to be "good" guys, silent about exploitation? Has Greg or Cyrus or any of these self-proclaimed "good" guy said or written anything about H1/L1 exploitation, EVER? Can you point to any such article/post? Just one?

2.) Has any of these self-proclaiming "good" lawyer spoken or filed lawsuit against the system that prevent immigrants to change employer or for the lack of job mobility? Where does it say in the law that those with pending green card petition cannot change job after I140? Then why hasn't any of the 14,000 immigration lawyers asked for this, EVER?

3.) Has any immigration lawyer or AILA spoken/written/advocated in favor of EAD+AP for approved I-140? EVER?

No matter how you feel about immigration lawyers, these are legitimate questions. And you will know how wrong or right you are if you try to find answers to these questions.

Maybe someone is busy or did not find time to look at these "insignificant" issues. BUT HOW CAN SOMEONE NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT EXPLOITATION OF H1/L1 IMMIGRANTS IN 20 YEARS?

"Good" "Immigration lawyer" is oxymoron. When we are fighting with immigration lawyers in Washington in policy realm everyday, we know what immigration lawyers are doing to backlogged immigrants. And anyone pretending to make a show otherwise is trying to hide facts.

This is not about incompetency, lousy or weak lawyers, as the narrative about try to portray. This is about immigration lawyers who systematically claim to be fighting for the immigrants they are actually screwing for years.

And even if handful of immigration lawyers are not corrupt, their silence on the subject of exploitation, job mobility and calling out their own organization, makes them complicit in the exploitation of H1/L1 immigrants.

As they say -
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

And those who have not spoken against exploitation and for the rights of immigrants are not trustworthy. These lawyers have advocated for more of the same H1 visas to increase more exploitation, without doing anything for the existing backlogs. And when something is about to happen (like per-country bill H.R.3012), they will find excuses to oppose fixes to the backlogs.

Thank you
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Litigation is an important tool to fight for your rights. In this case - the lawsuit has forced the Government to explain its stand and has added a lot of pressure and attracted attention to the issue.

If we take the position that we will not litigate because we do not not like Attorneys - It is kinda stupid - like throwing the baby with the tub! By doing so will not be using an important tool that we have!
And we agree. Litigation was one of the options we looked at when it became obvious that DHS was taking a hard line. But we were told that DoS has authority to change VB whenever they want to and it is hard to force them to provide remedy for an action that was legal. I don't want to get into the merits or lack-of in the lawsuit, but this is our operating assumption.


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Duh! Let me repeat - Again. The fact that Hil asked everybody to support Greg and then turned back started maligning Greg is not landing well with many folks including my co-workers and many people on this forum.
We wanted someone to file a lawsuit so we could check that box and it would add to pressure on them to reverse it. We were very grateful to Greg for doing it (and still are).

We don't think the lawsuit by its-self is going anywhere. It is hard for us to reconcile doing fundraisers to fight a lawsuit that we think is not going anywhere - and we spoke out.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question, if you saw a lawyer file a lawsuit for something that you thought was not going to happen, but it was something that was incredibly popular, like per-country cap, and that lawyer started rising money, $25K at a time from desperate people - would you not speak out?

We aren't the kind of people who will not speak up when we see something happening that we don't agree with. If it means we have to take friendly fire from our own community, we will. We did it before when we candidly said Recapture and Dependent exemption will not happen. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. We are all hard boiled eggs and have seen much worse.

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British, Sepoys, Gandhi, Bose... Wow! Many of us on this forum can think independently. Many of us have the capability to differentiate BS from real stuff and do not need oft-repeated/abused analogies like Bristish/Gandhi/Bose. We understand the importance of advocacy and also understand the importance of litigation.
You might get it, but a lot of people don't get it. They will continue to make the same mistakes over and over. In 2014 we told everyone that Recapture and Dependent (Questions Clarification and Answers about President's Executive Action on Immigration) exception will not happen and we got all kinds of shit from our own constituency. AILA and the companies played a very obvious and cynical game (in retrospect) of asking for almost impossible fixes for the backlogged community - at the expense of more achievable fixes in the Executive Order. We consulted with lawyers (that we trust) on this and every single one said it wasn't going to happen, but that did not stop people from spending - literally years - fantasizing about this on lawyers forums. Not only did these lawyers not correct the faulty narrative being spread around, they actively egged desperate people on and wrote misleading blog posts about this. These same lawyers are now running your lawsuit.


There is a big picture aspect to this whole situation that we are trying very hard to convey but it is very hard for people who haven't been on the inside to understand and we are getting hit with friendly fire for trying to explain it. But we will persist because we think it is important the message get out there.


Some of you might say we are "jealous". That's ok, but you should know that is the furthest thing from the truth. The truth is lawyers are fooling people into thinking that gossiping on forums about the "2R's", fantasizing about submitting comments for a rule that has not been published yet, signing petitions, tweeting, paying them for frivolous lawsuits are helping -- when infact they are hurting by diverting attention from things that will move the needle.

Comparisons to the British are very apt. The British used similar psychology and tactics to keep India enslaved for 200 years. People that are actively participating in these games the lawyers are playing might feel hurt about the comparisons being drawn to seopys, waterboys and servants - but if there were no truth to it - it wouldn't sting.

People are not learning from their mistakes and repeating them. The relationship between lawyers and their clients employees (whom both lawyers & clients make a lot money off of - don't fool yourself into thinking you are their client) in online interactions has several parallels with the same in colonial India, and we will speak our minds on this.
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