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Our Esteemed PM promised to make/convert Mumbai into Shanghai 5 years ago, look what it is today. He's much more hype than reality..Also he wouldn't have time for us, he's working on all thos Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Jawahar Lal Nehru Yojnaas for the people who vote, not for us who don't caste any vote anywhere....If you think about it we are "Dhobhi kaa kutta, naa ghar kaa naa gaat kaa".
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Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.
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Our Esteemed PM promised to make/convert Mumbai into Shanghai 5 years ago, look what it is today. He's much more hype than reality..Also he wouldn't have time for us, he's working on all thos Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Jawahar Lal Nehru Yojnaas for the people who vote, not for us who don't caste any vote anywhere....If you think about it we are "Dhobhi kaa kutta, naa ghar kaa naa gaat kaa".
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Actually I don't understand why people are so fussed up about SS and MC dollars. Medicare is going bankrupt and Social Security will be able to pay only much reduced benefits 30 years from now. This is a totally useless investment. Why bother about it when everybody is anyway going to lose money in it? If you have plans to move back to India then do so without thinking about this loss. You can make it up by getting a good job in India today. Infact the earlier you move back the better it is because then you will lose less by paying less to uncle Sam.
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PM will be too busy to deal with these matters. If anyone knows Vayalar Ravi who is our NRI minister now, he could probably take it up for us.
He has a website and a guest book (not sure who reads it). Lets fill it with SS requests.

http://www.vayalarravi.org/php/showG...k.php?linkid=8
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PM will be too busy to deal with these matters. If anyone knows Vayalar Ravi who is our NRI minister now, he could probably take it up for us.
This is a news from 2006. Vaylar Ravi has already initiated this effort. All we need to do is to give a push.

http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/nov/18india.htm

November 18, 2006 12:15 IST
Overseas Indian Affairs Minister Vayalar Ravi said in New York on Friday that New Delhi is trying to negotiate for an agreement with the Bush Administration under which temporary Indian workers in the US would not have to pay social security taxes.

Talking to a small group of Indian journalists Ravi said during the visit of Belgium prime minister Guy Verhofstadt to India earlier this month an agreement, called social security agreement, was signed with Belgian Foreign Minister under which Indians who would work there for less than five years would have the option of paying their social security taxes in India rather than in Belgium.

'We are also negotiating with the United States for a similar kind of agreement,' Ravi said in response to a question. He said such agreements would also be signed with other European Union countries as well following conclusion of negotiations.

For hundreds of thousands of Indian H1B workers in the US, the mandatory payment of social security tax has been an issue since workers who go back to India after six years of temporary employment in the US either voluntarily or due to lack of sponsorship for permanent residency cannot claim the money they had paid from their earnings. For the permanent residents and citizens, social security acts something like a social insurance program at old age.

Since the 1970s, the United States Social Security Administration has a law in place known as "Totalization Agreements" with about 20 countries. Under the rule H-1B workers are exempted from paying Social Security taxes in the US and can have their deductions sent to their home countries.

These countries include Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, South Korea, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Neither India nor China, the two countries accounting for the more than half of the all H-1B workers in the US are not included in the list evidently because these countries have no social security systems.

Ravi, however, did not explain as to how India, which does not have a social security system, would negotiate with the US for a similar exemption for Indian workers.

The minister was in New York ahead of the 5th Pravasi Bharatiya Divas to urge NRIs for greater involvement in the country's development by way of making investments in various projects and fields that are open for investments.

'Indian Americans have one of the highest incomes among all the ethnic groups in this country and they can participate in their motherland's development more substantially if they want to. I am here to encourage them to do that,' he said.

Ravi, who addressed a number of community meetings in New York, is going to California to attend the annual meeting of the National Federation of Indian Association, an umbrella organization of Indian organizations in the US.
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Actually I don't understand why people are so fussed up about SS and MC dollars. Medicare is going bankrupt and Social Security will be able to pay only much reduced benefits 30 years from now. This is a totally useless investment. Why bother about it when everybody is anyway going to lose money in it? If you have plans to move back to India then do so without thinking about this loss. You can make it up by getting a good job in India today. Infact the earlier you move back the better it is because then you will lose less by paying less to uncle Sam.
Calculate all the money we have given to SS and MC after being in US for all these years. If these payments are refunded, that will be a good financial backing for people who decide to move back.

In addition, this move would put pressure on lawmakers to pass a GC relief.
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Calculate all the money we have given to SS and MC after being in US for all these years. If these payments are refunded, that will be a good financial backing for people who decide to move back.

In addition, this move would put pressure on lawmakers to pass a GC relief.
You really have high hopes!!! Good for you. even American citizens are unable to secure these benefits after paying all their lives and you think US Govt will be able to just hand over money to foreign citizens without creating any fuss? Try it out and see if it works !!
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I think most of you guys either don't know anything about Indian politicians or don't understand our uselessness for them...If you talk to Vylaar Ravi today he will take 30 minutes to recollect what he talked 2 years ago...These are one of 50 useless promises & talks they do everyday, but end of the day only those works are take up which can fetch them votes...The current govt. will work more on socialist agenda, as they got votes for NREGA & several other social program. This govt. will not work for NRIs as we are not even at the bottom of their priority list
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This is a news from 2006. Vaylar Ravi has already initiated this effort. All we need to do is to give a push.

http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/nov/18india.htm

November 18, 2006 12:15 IST
Overseas Indian Affairs Minister Vayalar Ravi said in New York on Friday that New Delhi is trying to negotiate for an agreement with the Bush Administration under which temporary Indian workers in the US would not have to pay social security taxes.

Talking to a small group of Indian journalists Ravi said during the visit of Belgium prime minister Guy Verhofstadt to India earlier this month an agreement, called social security agreement, was signed with Belgian Foreign Minister under which Indians who would work there for less than five years would have the option of paying their social security taxes in India rather than in Belgium.

'We are also negotiating with the United States for a similar kind of agreement,' Ravi said in response to a question. He said such agreements would also be signed with other European Union countries as well following conclusion of negotiations.

For hundreds of thousands of Indian H1B workers in the US, the mandatory payment of social security tax has been an issue since workers who go back to India after six years of temporary employment in the US either voluntarily or due to lack of sponsorship for permanent residency cannot claim the money they had paid from their earnings. For the permanent residents and citizens, social security acts something like a social insurance program at old age.

Since the 1970s, the United States Social Security Administration has a law in place known as "Totalization Agreements" with about 20 countries. Under the rule H-1B workers are exempted from paying Social Security taxes in the US and can have their deductions sent to their home countries.

These countries include Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, South Korea, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Neither India nor China, the two countries accounting for the more than half of the all H-1B workers in the US are not included in the list evidently because these countries have no social security systems.

Ravi, however, did not explain as to how India, which does not have a social security system, would negotiate with the US for a similar exemption for Indian workers.

The minister was in New York ahead of the 5th Pravasi Bharatiya Divas to urge NRIs for greater involvement in the country's development by way of making investments in various projects and fields that are open for investments.

'Indian Americans have one of the highest incomes among all the ethnic groups in this country and they can participate in their motherland's development more substantially if they want to. I am here to encourage them to do that,' he said.

Ravi, who addressed a number of community meetings in New York, is going to California to attend the annual meeting of the National Federation of Indian Association, an umbrella organization of Indian organizations in the US.
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You really have high hopes!!! Good for you. even American citizens are unable to secure these benefits after paying all their lives and you think US Govt will be able to just hand over money to foreign citizens without creating any fuss? Try it out and see if it works !!
The difference being, Citizens are paying SS/MC as they are eligible for SS and MC benefits whereas US gov is forcing non-residents to pay SS/MC taxes when they are not eligible to receive the benefits.
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I think most of you guys either don't know anything about Indian politicians or don't understand our uselessness for them...If you talk to Vylaar Ravi today he will take 30 minutes to recollect what he talked 2 years ago...These are one of 50 useless promises & talks they do everyday, but end of the day only those works are take up which can fetch them votes...The current govt. will work more on socialist agenda, as they got votes for NREGA & several other social program. This govt. will not work for NRIs as we are not even at the bottom of their priority list
Go through the news again. India has already signed such agreements with other countries.
Moreover Indian government has a vested interest in it.

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The difference being, Citizens are paying SS/MC as they are eligible for SS and MC benefits whereas US gov is forcing non-residents to pay SS/MC taxes when they are not eligible to receive the benefits.
Who cares about non-residents when the USCs are also not getting benefits? That's the whole point. Non-residents are at the bottom of the food chain and are voiceless. When the country itself is in crisis how can the country care for non-residents? No country in the world would and US is no exception.
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Go through the news again. India has already signed such agreements with other countries.
Moreover Indian government has a vested interest in it.
Other countries may have signed agreements with India but that still does not guarantee payouts to Indians. For example during a financial crisis or war benefits will be first paid to citizens only. Also, the impact on those countries may be infinitely less than it is to US because of very small Indian communities in those countries.
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You guys will lick anyone\'s ass to get a gc!!
How did you know we would? Did you do that? Did anyone made a video while you were doing that? OMG. .. Tsk Tsk.. actually we didn't , we are going to get it without doing that..
No worries your taste bud have a file for an additional taste now which no one of us has.

I wonder if you live your life at all. All you talk about everyday is immigration. Your life is dedicated to a sole purpose \"immigration\".

No thats not the case, this is the immigration forum and we talk about immigration here only. Well I think, that you think and talk only about immigration thats the reason you are only on this site, whereas the rest others visit a lot of different sites and post their point of view based on the topic of the forum. So please go and get a life dude.

Around 15 years back I saw an Indian couple at the passport office with a bunch of files in different colors. I got curious to know why he was carrying so many files in different colors. I noticed that each file had a label and it said \"USA File\", \"UK File\", \"Canada File\", \"Austrailia File\",.....and so on. At that time I laughed my balls seeing his desperation to get out of India.

Well I think you were also the one holding one file "US file". So you are no less than that couple. Actually you are worst than them as they may admit they are trying to do it but you will always be doing the same thing and will be in denial. And everyone knows whats the truth.

Now I see every other guy on this forum is just like him. Stop judging your status by the country you live in. Do something worth while so people know you for what you have done and not for where you live.

Except you no one on this forum is like that, your thinking is actually representing your mentality and personality.Also its pity that "YOU" judge the status of a person by which country he lives in , "WE" don't do that. Everyone here came for one reason or the other and so is yours. Tell me one thing which you did and consider "something worth" , except eating mangoes which is not worth at all.

Eat mangoes and stay healthy!!
Actually jyada aam khaane se funsiyaan ho jaati hai.. Ganna (sugarcane) chooso that will be the best.

Most of all you are again one of the personality which actually compelled me to analyze , how your brain behaves to make yourself feel better. (Part of my job to analyze the personality by the short conversations.) Still reading brain and behaviors is my job and hobby(man I love my job)

Am I offended , ofcourse I am..if you dun like reading all this and then dun write this way..
what you dun like , just dun do that to others also.
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Who cares about non-residents when the USCs are also not getting benefits? That's the whole point. Non-residents are at the bottom of the food chain and are voiceless. When the country itself is in crisis how can the country care for non-residents? No country in the world would and US is no exception.
We will make US care for non-residents at least in this issue.
GC is something US can decide whether to give or not. This is OUR money US gov is illegally withholding.

That is the whole point.
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My dear friend, US is broke, they are pushing their hand deep in our pockets to take out maximum money they can in the name of Immigration Document Fee increament up to 3 times...Issuing 1 year documents valid from the date of issue(so they can eat 3-4 months), This is no less than "Jizya"....Here we are paying "Jizya" on the other hand you are hoping to get the tax back...You guys are day dreaming..
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Our Esteemed PM was in talk with Prez GB about a year ago to get back the SS and MC money paid for all H1B's who have paid into the system but would not get a dime from it..please could somebody with good writing skills would write a letter to PM so that all people can mail/Fax/Email our Respected PM urging him to take this issue up with the new administration. Also we need to request our PM to take up the issue of lenghty delays we face.
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