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Old 05-12-2006, 03:46 PM
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Thumbs down New Immigration Bill Analysis

Guyz herez my take on the proposed immigration bill....

Total # of Immigrant Visas == 140000
Country Limit 7% (soft.Unused visas would be alloted to the oversubscribed countries)

Category & Visa %s in brackets
EB1(29%) EB2(29%) EB3(29%)
40600 40600 40600

As the country limit is 7%
The immigrant visas available would be 2842 per category per country...

Even though the number looks small..my take is that other countries might not
have been using the immigrant visas which made it easier/faster for the over subscribed countries (read India and China)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Total # of Immigrant Visas == 290000
Country Limit 10% (Hard and Fast rule)
Unused visas would NOT be alloted to the oversubscribed countries

Category & Visa %s in brackets(new bill limits eb1 and eb2 to 20% and increases eb3 to 35%)
EB1(20%) EB2(20%) EB3(35%)
58000 58000 101500

As the country limit is 10%
The immigrant visas available would be 5800 for EB1,EB2 & 10150 for EB3

per country...With the country limit capped at 10% it looks rather bleak for India and China..esp EB1 and EB2 are worse off after the immigration bill...

plz let me know if i have faltered in my calculations...or if you think
otherwise
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This issue of hard cap has been on IV's agenda from the time when Specter's mark was make public in March.

Our amendments introduced to the bill by Sen. Brownback do address this problem and fix it in the new bill, therby maintaining the current soft-cap.

We are working on the same amendments to be introduced again that were there on April 7th.

By the way, I guess you have not taken into account the elimination of dependents in your calculation, or the recapture of unused numbers between 2001 and 2005.

Please note the removal of hard cap does not benefit the big subscribers(India and China) in an unfair way. The current soft cap that we are proposing to maintain would allow all countries their own share of 10%. After there are not enough countries to use their own 10% resulting in unused number - ONLY THEN those unused numbers would be awarded to bigger subscribers like India and China. I am mentioning this as there are many members from countries other than India and China who have had a misunderstanding that IV is trying to get rid of country caps altogether. That is not true and we are asking for continuation of soft caps that exist today.
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I am really sorry if I am hijacking this thread but the suggested higher numbers of H1B and GC visa numbers seems pretty hollow compared to the deal given to the "other peoples"... it seems very unfair and unbalanced.
There is no proposal to make the GC process simpler and easier for skilled workers vs. the same "adjustment of status" proposal for "other peoples".

Sorry.
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Default Need one clarification on recapture

Logiclife,

Nice post with the additions to arrarrgee post as well as allaying the fears of our valuable members from other countries.


1) With the recapture from 2001 to 2005, let us say that
gives us 100k visas (sum off eb1, eb2, eb3 recapture)
how would that fit in into the 10% hard limit and how would that be distributed ? Can you please explain that. It seems to be a grey area for many of us and will be beneficial.

2) This is a do or die time for us. Anything you need from us, please post. We need to be super charged, to fax /call / whatever else is required by IV.


Look forward to hearing from you





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This issue of hard cap has been on IV's agenda from the time when Specter's mark was make public in March.

Our amendments introduced to the bill by Sen. Brownback do address this problem and fix it in the new bill, therby maintaining the current soft-cap.

We are working on the same amendments to be introduced again that were there on April 7th.

By the way, I guess you have not taken into account the elimination of dependents in your calculation, or the recapture of unused numbers between 2001 and 2005.

Please note the removal of hard cap does not benefit the big subscribers(India and China) in an unfair way. The current soft cap that we are proposing to maintain would allow all countries their own share of 10%. After there are not enough countries to use their own 10% resulting in unused number - ONLY THEN those unused numbers would be awarded to bigger subscribers like India and China. I am mentioning this as there are many members from countries other than India and China who have had a misunderstanding that IV is trying to get rid of country caps altogether. That is not true and we are asking for continuation of soft caps that exist today.
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UFO2002

I feel the same way too. But GC is not our right. The US Govt decides who is important for them and who is not. In their immense wisdom, they feel a gardner should be able to self petion and get PR in this country quickly where as a person with bachelors and masters degree will need to slog for years on end to even give GC a shot.


It is unfair, but then what are our options ?



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I am really sorry if I am hijacking this thread but the suggested higher numbers of H1B and GC visa numbers seems pretty hollow compared to the deal given to the "other peoples"... it seems very unfair and unbalanced.
There is no proposal to make the GC process simpler and easier for skilled workers vs. the same "adjustment of status" proposal for "other peoples".

Sorry.
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Just small correction in county Limit of 7%.
The county Limit of 7% is based on not 140,000. But it is 140,000(EB)+22600(Family Based) comes out to be 25,000 per county.
This was clarified in visa bulletin of May,2005. Please read
2. Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) sets an annual minimum family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000. The worldwide level for annual employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference immigrants is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e., 25,620. The dependent area limit is set at 2%, or 7,320.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bu...etin_2868.html

My understanding is since it is stating that per Preference ( preference means FB and EB) 7% of total FB+EB is 25,620
Comment if I am wrong.
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Sorry visa bulletein May,2006
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I was under the impression the recent change appeared that the EB numerical limit will be pushed to 490,000 for 5 years.
Can you clarify this please?
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I'd encourage the new number crunchers to search our threads and those on Immig Portal for previous calculations.

These issues have been discussed many times before. I can see how people who have participated in those earlier discussions may not have the energy to respond to every new number cruncher.

As for IV's activities -- please be assured that we are fully aware of all the numerical implications and have been pushing hard to get our issues into CIR.

best,
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I was under the impression the recent change appeared that the EB numerical limit will be pushed to 490,000 for 5 years.
Can you clarify this please?
Supposed to be raised to 490K until 2016..total 10 years..
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Hagel martinez compromize :
Per Year :
450 K EB+ 480K FB = 930K total worldwide + recaptures..

proposed limit 10% max for a country = 93 K (EB+FB)

say equally divided between EB and FB then 46K EB.

The EB dependents are excluded....46 K for China/India each...(EB1+EB2+EB3) total...

Also there is a clause in the law already that allows for redistribution between oversubscribed countries...That redistribution encompasses FB+EB. So donot know how that would play out...

I have analysed 2004 actual data...
I saw that total for India was around 70K EB+FB
Out of those almost 35K FB.
Precise figure for India EB for 2004 was around 38k
Only 35 K were available for EB India. These included (EB1+EB2+EB3+dependents)...



My opinion is that available numbers increase for India/China/all oversubscribed but I cannot put a hard and fast number...


If there is any obvious mistake please point out...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Berkeleybee
I'd encourage the new number crunchers to search our threads and those on Immig Portal for previous calculations.

These issues have been discussed many times before. I can see how people who have participated in those earlier discussions may not have the energy to respond to every new number cruncher.

As for IV's activities -- please be assured that we are fully aware of all the numerical implications and have been pushing hard to get our issues into CIR.

best,
Berkeleybee
Sir/Mam
Please put up a sticky thread with these calculations so that anyone asks again we can just redirect....This would continue to be a subject of discussion...
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Thumbs up Text of Legislation S2611

Friends here is the text of legislation which will be considered and debated in Senate come Monday.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.2611:


I think the following clause helps all of us?

Thoughts?

"(B) PRIORITY IN ALLOCATING VISAS- In allocating visas under subparagraph (A) for each of the fiscal years 2007 through 2017, the Secretary shall reserve 30 percent of such visas for qualified immigrants who were physically present in the United States before January 7, 2004.';"

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SEC. 401. IMMIGRATION IMPACT STUDY in title 4, will delay the implementation by 3 months and may also impact the final bill for us. This clause will delay and can potentially minimize the benefits EB visas might get.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...WHJ3S:e292766:

Hope some ammendment can delete this section from the bill.
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My understanding is that this clause pertains to granting legal status to illegal immigrants and not those who have maintained their status.
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