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Retrogression, priority dates and Visa bulletins Issues surrounding the retrogression of the priority dates for the various employment based categories

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Old 03-15-2008, 06:08 PM
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Default Seriously, HOW MANY ALLPICANTS FROM 2004-2005 EB2 India still waiting?

C'mon guys, what the hell have you been doing for so long?

I mean look at the archived Visa Bulletins, you observe the following:

1. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2003
2. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2004
3. EB2 was current for India till August 2005
4. After the retrogression in 2005, EB2 India moved up quickly through 2003-2004 to April 2004 by the beginning of 2007

5. Even after the summer 2007 fiasco (EB2 Current fro July, August 2007), the priority date for EB2 India moved to April 2004 and stayed there for 3 months

What more do you wish for?
I don't understand how there any can be anyone from 2004-2005 India still left in the EB2 category.

This is pathetic. What the hell have you been waiting for?
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:44 PM
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Question what does ur post mean ???

i know ppl woth PD late Dec 2004 still waitng .
please elaborate what ur trying to say ? or am I not catching on to something?
-no offense.
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:51 PM
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what i am saying is how and why is it that inspite of the PD having been current as I detailed in my original post for so long during 2000-2005 for EB 2 India, why are there applicants from way back in 2002 and 2003 still waiting?

Honestly, I thought they should have been already processed and gotten their Green cards by now.

All I am trying to figure out is how many applicants from 2004-2005 are still in the proverbial 'PIPELINE' waiting. Unless they are done, the PD is not gonna move.

If we can have it move conclusively to 2005-2006 regions relatively quickly, most problems are solved.

BTW, what are the chances that the PD may become "Current" again for EB2/EB3 India over the next 40 months?

Thanks
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Old 03-15-2008, 07:13 PM
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what i am saying is how and why is it that inspite of the PD having been current as I detailed in my original post for so long during 2000-2005 for EB 2 India, why are there applicants from way back in 2002 and 2003 still waiting?

Honestly, I thought they should have been already processed and gotten their Green cards by now.

All I am trying to figure out is how many applicants from 2004-2005 are still in the proverbial 'PIPELINE' waiting. Unless they are done, the PD is not gonna move.

If we can have it move conclusively to 2005-2006 regions relatively quickly, most problems are solved.

BTW, what are the chances that the PD may become "Current" again for EB2/EB3 India over the next 40 months?

Thanks
like Name check delays and Backlog elimation of LC was done in last 2007 which might possible that quite a bit of LC with PD 2002 - 2004 was got approved and were not able to file 485 because EB2 was "U" after August-2007
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Old 03-15-2008, 07:30 PM
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C'mon guys, what the hell have you been doing for so long?

I mean look at the archived Visa Bulletins, you observe the following:

1. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2003
2. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2004
3. EB2 was current for India till August 2005
4. After the retrogression in 2005, EB2 India moved up quickly through 2003-2004 to April 2004 by the beginning of 2007

5. Even after the summer 2007 fiasco (EB2 Current fro July, August 2007), the priority date for EB2 India moved to April 2004 and stayed there for 3 months

What more do you wish for?
I don't understand how there any can be anyone from 2004-2005 India still left in the EB2 category.

This is pathetic. What the hell have you been waiting for?
Dude, No one has been waiting on purpose! Do you even have a clue what was going on in 2002/03/04/05... Even though numbers were current the Labor process used to take 3-4 years! If your labor is not clear then having 485 current is not going to do much... The perm process was started in 2005!Just consider yourself lucky that atleast you have an organization like IV working for you and they was instrumental in gettin atleast EAD for you and your spouse!!
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Old 03-15-2008, 07:40 PM
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Dude, No one has been waiting on purpose! Do you even have a clue what was going on in 2002/03/04/05... Even though numbers were current the Labor process used to take 3-4 years! If your labor is not clear then having 485 current is not going to do much... The perm process was started in 2005!Just consider yourself lucky that atleast you have an organization like IV working for you and they was instrumental in gettin atleast EAD for you and your spouse!!
EB3->EB2 also is contributing to this.

Irrespective of the details, it should be clear that EB2 and EB3 for a lot of IV members will be backlogged. Wait times for later priority dates >2004 will be long.

So, the best thing to do is get involved actively in IV action items. Else be prepared to wait and wait and wait.
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I am Jul 2004 EB2 India and still waiting because BEC delays. I get to file I-485 in Aug 2007.

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i know ppl woth PD late Dec 2004 still waitng .
please elaborate what ur trying to say ? or am I not catching on to something?
-no offense.
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:28 PM
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The biggest problem is interfiling from EB3 to EB2. USCIS must not allow anyone to change categories and retain old priority dates. This is nothing short of cheating ! What about the people who have been standing in line. You can't just change the rules when they suit you and get into the middle of the line. Pathetic !
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:47 PM
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The biggest problem is interfiling from EB3 to EB2. USCIS must not allow anyone to change categories and retain old priority dates. This is nothing short of cheating ! What about the people who have been standing in line. You can't just change the rules when they suit you and get into the middle of the line. Pathetic !
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:47 PM
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Default Have you heard of backlog :-)

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C'mon guys, what the hell have you been doing for so long?

I mean look at the archived Visa Bulletins, you observe the following:

1. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2003
2. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2004
3. EB2 was current for India till August 2005
4. After the retrogression in 2005, EB2 India moved up quickly through 2003-2004 to April 2004 by the beginning of 2007

5. Even after the summer 2007 fiasco (EB2 Current fro July, August 2007), the priority date for EB2 India moved to April 2004 and stayed there for 3 months

What more do you wish for?
I don't understand how there any can be anyone from 2004-2005 India still left in the EB2 category.

This is pathetic. What the hell have you been waiting for?
Most of these guys were stuck in backlog.. Welcome to the world of USCIS/DOL/DHS... Some would be Name Check victims too.. Though not many.. But a lot in backlog... Plus labor substitution...

And when finaly most 2003 filed in July 2007 and had dates current for next 3 months.. The Processing was taking atleast 6 months...

I seriosly hope that not may atleast with 2003 PD.. and dates should move to 2004 and beyong soon.. and this is practically possible...
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[sarcasm]
I have been waiting for my GC on purpose. I really wanted it to take 6 years.
I really wanted to get my Labor to rot in PBEC and then I intentionally wanted to get stuck in Namecheck.
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On a serious note, do you have any idea about how this systems works? Do you have any idea what BEC's were or what namecheck is.

We will talk about "what the hell have you have been doing for so long" in 4 years when you are moaning about how retrogression has affected you for the last 5 years.


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C'mon guys, what the hell have you been doing for so long?

I mean look at the archived Visa Bulletins, you observe the following:

1. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2003
2. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2004
3. EB2 was current for India till August 2005
4. After the retrogression in 2005, EB2 India moved up quickly through 2003-2004 to April 2004 by the beginning of 2007

5. Even after the summer 2007 fiasco (EB2 Current fro July, August 2007), the priority date for EB2 India moved to April 2004 and stayed there for 3 months

What more do you wish for?
I don't understand how there any can be anyone from 2004-2005 India still left in the EB2 category.

This is pathetic. What the hell have you been waiting for?
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:48 PM
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yup........i wish everyone who used substitute labor, or interfiled EB3 to EB2 should not get their green cards for about 10 more years. May they be screwed by their (mostly) desi (mostly) IT-Software employers.........they deserve every single bit of misfortune for F*$#ING up the chances for every honest EB filer, who patiently waits in the RIGHT queue.

As far as i am concerned, such people can go to hell.........and i wish they do!!!


I agree with you completely ! I wish and pray Interfilers and labor substitution applicants rot in hell.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:52 PM
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Default Don't forget 'Labor-Substitution'

I wonder who wants to take credit for the elimination of the labor substitution provision that has been (mis) used by the immigrant community as well as some employers. Labor substitution was one of the reasons for the back and forth of priority dates movement. Thankfully, effective July 2007, the labor substitution rule has been eliminated.

The immigration system was more of screwed-up one till March 2005 (not that it is no more a screwed-up system now) when the PERM was introduced. With the introduction of PERM, the priority dates were common for EB labor certification nation-wide. Prior to March 2005, we had a screwed-up policy of state-wise labor-certification backlog where those who filed from states like Maine or Nebraska had an advantage of getting not only the approval of labor certification (form ETA 750-A/750-B or ETA 9089) faster but also having the Green Card in hand much sooner than those who filed from other states.

Though the introduction of PERM, removal of labor-substitution, and the 180-day rule for name check have noteworthy and life-saving benefits for immigrants, there needs to be more transparency from DOS/USCIS on how the EB GCs are allotted or wasted unused.

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I agree with you completely ! I wish and pray Interfilers and labor substitution applicants rot in hell.
You are a frustrated fool.

I have a friend who despite eligible for eb2, his employer filed in eb3 without his knowledge. He only came to know about this after 3 years after his labor got approved and got I-140 approved. The employer didn't provide him any papers for labor cert but somehow he got hold of his I-140 notice approval. He changed his job now and filed eb2 with new employer. I see no reason why he should not do interfile.

You are frustrated because of retrogression. Why don't you curse others, not those little less fortunate, from so called retrogressed countries? I have seen people in my organization coming from ROW countries and getting complete GC in less than 15 months. You should really get frustrated with country quota, not with your fellow sufferers.

think before you act like a fool. Say honestly that you never tried any legally available shortcut in your life.

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Default There can still be a lot

It has to do with the labor processing. Before PERM was implemented, Labor certificate took a long time for a lot of States. So a lot of EB2 people was stuck in the labor cerfiticate stage when EB2 was current. Now they've passed that stage and are waiting.


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C'mon guys, what the hell have you been doing for so long?

I mean look at the archived Visa Bulletins, you observe the following:

1. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2003
2. EB2 was current for India ALL THROUGH 2004
3. EB2 was current for India till August 2005
4. After the retrogression in 2005, EB2 India moved up quickly through 2003-2004 to April 2004 by the beginning of 2007

5. Even after the summer 2007 fiasco (EB2 Current fro July, August 2007), the priority date for EB2 India moved to April 2004 and stayed there for 3 months

What more do you wish for?
I don't understand how there any can be anyone from 2004-2005 India still left in the EB2 category.

This is pathetic. What the hell have you been waiting for?
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