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Old 11-23-2008, 10:02 PM
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Default It's Unfair for EB2 using all the extra quota

For the August visa bulletin, USCIS gave all the extra quota to EB2. I don't think this is fair for all the EB3 people. I thougt the reason they gave all the quota to them was the EB2 included NIW. But NIW is just a small portion of EB2. Majority EB2 peopole are like EB3 working for companies and not necessarily important to give all the extra quota to them. If the policy continues, our EB3 will just become fake immigration. You don't know how long we can finalize our case. Gugs, please work together and let our voice to be heard by USCIS. Hope our organization can help us.
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here comes one more unity breaker...come on man stop it.. and what a timing when IV is planning for one more rally in DC..i am also EB3 but EB 2 did not say to give them remaining quota from EB1 ..stop it man.. i think its weekend and u must have lot of beer and frustration is coming out..... any ways buddy have couple of more beers and have fun..cheers


and look at his country of chargeabilty..Bangladesh.....he is a big actor guys.....

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some one gave me red and said that " where were u when all the EB2 guys were united together against EB3" my answer is that moron EB2 guys were wrong too they were jumping when bulletin moved forward in their favour, now see the bulletin every one is there where they were before... so we have to be united in all the situation and fight for retrogession
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some one gave me red and said that " where were u when all the EB2 guys were united together against EB3" my answer is that moron EB2 guys were wrong too they were jumping when bulletin moved forward in their favour, now see the bulletin every one is there where they were before... so we have to be united in all the situation and fight for retrogession
I agree, STAY UNITED.
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:45 AM
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I agree, STAY UNITED.
Stay united and fight. We already have few groups like the "Surya" guy, cannot remember his correct id, who fought so that EB3 cannot ever move to EB2. Fortunately I have not seen such issue from EB3 group. There have been occasional venting out out of frustration, but nothing organized to create problems for other groups. Rules are rules and nothing is wrong if the rules are rightly followed.

If the originator of this thread is from Bangladesh, he need not worry. ROW should move faster comparatively, even in EB3.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:17 PM
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we're not gonna fight...
if you really have to.. look elsewhere.

btw.. if this was genuine frustration, sorry dude.. but that's not the right direction.

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Old 11-24-2008, 12:31 PM
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Listen,
What difference does it make if it is EB@ or EB3, the point is, we should stand UNITED we all benefit. If the recapture visa bill passes, then we all will benefit.


Please don't post any more viewpoints stating " I wont fight"

It is your loss and everyone's . If you choose to step out of IV and fight all by yourself, I wish you all the best.

We senior members have been fighting for the greater cause, it for you junior members to carry this forward. The foundation of IV has to be strong, it has been strong.

IV has not patience for people who want to discriminate between EB2 or EB3, we need people who see a broader perspective of things, EB community as a whole.


If the recapture visa bill passes, think we all will benefit, will we still question about EB2 or EB3.


Please be wise and be patient, we need everyone to change this system

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Old 11-24-2008, 02:32 PM
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Instead of asking for more bread, we are fighting ferociously for the scraps like dogs!

It was estimated by Compete America that if the last CIR had passed there would have been more than 500,000 visa numbers recaptured ( don't ask me for the math, I didn't come up with this number). Assuming that the Nurses took away a chunk of it, we still would have a big chunk to statify Eb3, Eb3, ROW, India, China etc. etc. And the nurses are going to walk away with a big chunk folks - whether we like it or not - because we are fighting each other like dogs for the scraps of the spillover, while they will come up well organized and walk away with the cake.

Our disunity, lack of long-term vision, lack of action is our biggest weakness. We will not win unless we fight this together.

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For the August visa bulletin, USCIS gave all the extra quota to EB2. I don't think this is fair for all the EB3 people. I thougt the reason they gave all the quota to them was the EB2 included NIW. But NIW is just a small portion of EB2. Majority EB2 peopole are like EB3 working for companies and not necessarily important to give all the extra quota to them. If the policy continues, our EB3 will just become fake immigration. You don't know how long we can finalize our case. Gugs, please work together and let our voice to be heard by USCIS. Hope our organization can help us.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:53 PM
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Instead of asking for more bread, we are fighting ferociously for the scraps like dogs!

It was estimated by Compete America that if the last CIR had passed there would have been more than 500,000 visa numbers recaptured ( don't ask me for the math, I didn't come up with this number). Assuming that the Nurses took away a chunk of it, we still would have a big chunk to statify Eb3, Eb3, ROW, India, China etc. etc. And the nurses are going to walk away with a big chunk folks - whether we like it or not - because we are fighting each other like dogs for the scraps of the spillover, while they will come up well organized and walk away with the cake.

Our disunity, lack of long-term vision, lack of action is our biggest weakness. We will not win unless we fight this together.


I agree with you my friend, lets see if this guy really shows up for the rally in Dc.
All those who wants to divide EB2 and EB3, can wait for their part of bread crumbs. I want the whole slice of bread, for which I believe a recapture visa bill is necessary.


I am coming to DC rally and for the Lobby. Are you? Are you going to sit home, watch TV news or will you be the part of making that news?



Administrator please close this thread, we are IV a united team and not EB2 or EB3.


All the junior members who are joining remember, July fiasco happened because IV stood united as a community and not as a division.
It is a team play, haven't we all worked in US to understand the importance of team work?


Stand together or stand alone and wait to be blown away like a single leaf, CHOICE IS YOUR'S

We are not fighting for the one side cause but for EB community as a WHOLE


Walking dude soon we should start contacting the media groups about a big rally to held in March for legal immigrants.

1. Lets spread the word about the rally
2. The selfish ones on EAD who reply " I have EAD , I don't care" Ask them with the current economic situation, how long will they be able to retain their jobs? Secondly with the current bulletin status, are they ready to wait for next long years?

If it is a wise person, they will come to their senses.

Coolpal, I hope you are with us in this fight for recapture.

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Yes, we cannot give up just because we got EAD. Due to a silly mistake, most of us eligible were able to file for I-485. It does not matter whether EB2 or EB3. We are LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Leaving our family relaitives, pursuing a career and leading family in getting new friends here, immigration delays have been causing nightmares.
Imagine a person who is pursuing American Dream and waiting for Green Card for 10 years? This means the prospective life of (mid 20s to mid 30s) of a guy is lost in pursuing GC? Is this the modern era slavery? Hitech slavery? Green Card should give us more flexibility.

So, united we stand to fight for legal immigration!

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Instead of asking for more bread, we are fighting ferociously for the scraps like dogs!

It was estimated by Compete America that if the last CIR had passed there would have been more than 500,000 visa numbers recaptured ( don't ask me for the math, I didn't come up with this number). Assuming that the Nurses took away a chunk of it, we still would have a big chunk to statify Eb3, Eb3, ROW, India, China etc. etc. And the nurses are going to walk away with a big chunk folks - whether we like it or not - because we are fighting each other like dogs for the scraps of the spillover, while they will come up well organized and walk away with the cake.

Our disunity, lack of long-term vision, lack of action is our biggest weakness. We will not win unless we fight this together.

Agreed but this should be from both the side.
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i hope we wake up and realize that we are all in this together. When i met with my congressmans assistant, i had boasted that we were 25+ members and had more than 300 in his district... The guy was suitably impressed. When the action item to call the congressman was launched i was told that only a handful called his office. The sad part is that while people posted on the forums to get a green dot, i know some didnt call because i had followed up with the office. EB3 Vs EB2 battle had the biggest fallout on the group, those rabid discussion brought out the worst amongst us and many volunteers (including myself) stopped. We had a great opportunity during the letter writing campaign, it was the best change to resolve some of the painful issues... we all know what happened.
Most of us talk about unity till it suits us ( and i dont mean walking_dude, i am aware of the great service has done, including the fight to ammend the drivers license issue).

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Instead of asking for more bread, we are fighting ferociously for the scraps like dogs!

It was estimated by Compete America that if the last CIR had passed there would have been more than 500,000 visa numbers recaptured ( don't ask me for the math, I didn't come up with this number). Assuming that the Nurses took away a chunk of it, we still would have a big chunk to statify Eb3, Eb3, ROW, India, China etc. etc. And the nurses are going to walk away with a big chunk folks - whether we like it or not - because we are fighting each other like dogs for the scraps of the spillover, while they will come up well organized and walk away with the cake.

Our disunity, lack of long-term vision, lack of action is our biggest weakness. We will not win unless we fight this together.
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Let bygones be bygones. No point in beating the dead horse. Nothing will be achieved by opening old wounds.

Let us be united from now on for all our sakes ( both Eb2 and Eb3)

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Let bygones be bygones. No point in beating the dead horse. Nothing will be achieved by opening old wounds.

Let us be united from now on for all our sakes ( both Eb2 and Eb3)
Ok, let us be united. Let us work on getting USCIS to follow the letter of the law. What is it you ask? It is that the Visas be spilled over as required by the law. It is nothing to do against EB3 or EB2. The visa spillover suggests that the overflowing visas be issued to the most critically retrogressed queue (upon satisfaction of per country limits). Does it help Eb3 or EB2? Both, whenever there is a longer queue, that line is able to move forward.

Right now it is EB3 which is reeling under the incorrect implementation, and EB3s want to see it rectified, while the EB2ers demand Unity (knowing well that they stand to lose -- what was never theirs), I would not be surprised that EB2 raise the loudest voice of action (and no talks about unity) had the tables been turned.

So you see why I think the message of unity sounds so hollow.
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Ok, let us be united. Let us work on getting USCIS to follow the letter of the law. What is it you ask? It is that the Visas be spilled over as required by the law. It is nothing to do against EB3 or EB2. The visa spillover suggests that the overflowing visas be issued to the most critically retrogressed queue (upon satisfaction of per country limits). Does it help Eb3 or EB2? Both, whenever there is a longer queue, that line is able to move forward.

Right now it is EB3 which is reeling under the incorrect implementation, and EB3s want to see it rectified, while the EB2ers demand Unity (knowing well that they stand to lose -- what was never theirs), I would not be surprised that EB2 raise the loudest voice of action (and no talks about unity) had the tables been turned.

So you see why I think the message of unity sounds so hollow.
Well hollow or shallow does it help you?

hmhmh =------- NO!

Stop questioning EB2 or EB3, they both represent EB community. Yes you maybe right about people thinking about EB2 faster thatn EB3,

But have you followed the bulletin lately?

And the ways things are going, do you really think EB 2 will clear fast and then EB3 will gain a faster movement?

Golden Answer? NO


Whether you like it or not, we need each other, the impact is always greater when the intensity applied to it is greater.


You can keep thinking about how hollow you and I are, but the fact is we both need each other. Everyone see's us as EB community, not as EB2 or EB3,

Most of those Morons don't even understand the difference between H1b and green cards,


So get yourself to think EB community as a whole, not EB2 or EB3, or who benefits first?
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