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Default AC21 , job description question, opinions sought

I need opinion on if it is do able. My labor was filed for a project manager and job description is as follows:
"Plan, direct, or coordinate activities of electronic data processing and information systems projects at financial services companies; use of sound knowledge of accounting principles, and the financial markets (including investment products); analysis and reporting of financial data."

I have been offered a job from a prominent Financial Services firm for the position of a Sr. Business Analyst with salary slightly more than what was mentioned in the labor and the job description as follows:

"Analyzing, Planning and coordinating activities of information systems projects in the investment technology area."

Can some experts please share their opinion if I can take it.
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I need opinion on if it is do able. My labor was filed for a project manager and job description is as follows:
"Plan, direct, or coordinate activities of electronic data processing and information systems projects at financial services companies; use of sound knowledge of accounting principles, and the financial markets (including investment products); analysis and reporting of financial data."

I have been offered a job from a prominent Financial Services firm for the position of a Sr. Business Analyst with salary slightly more than what was mentioned in the labor and the job description as follows:

"Analyzing, Planning and coordinating activities of information systems projects in the investment technology area."

Can some experts please share their opinion if I can take it.
Job description looks "similar" to me. Titles may not matter. Though first title is more about "Directing" and second one is about "Coordinating and planning" What about job codes? . No large gap between salaries so you will be fine there as well. As long as Job codes are similar you will certainly be fine.
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Thumbs up The two positions are more than 50% "similar"

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I need opinion on if it is do able. My labor was filed for a project manager and job description is as follows:
"Plan, direct, or coordinate activities of electronic data processing and information systems projects at financial services companies; use of sound knowledge of accounting principles, and the financial markets (including investment products); analysis and reporting of financial data."

I have been offered a job from a prominent Financial Services firm for the position of a Sr. Business Analyst with salary slightly more than what was mentioned in the labor and the job description as follows:

"Analyzing, Planning and coordinating activities of information systems projects in the investment technology area."

Can some experts please share their opinion if I can take it.
The one big difference I see is that in your previous job description, you were "directing" whereas in the new one, you will be "analyzing". So in effect, you are moving from a managerial role to an analyst role.

However, I think you can definitely argue that the two positions are more than 50% "similar".
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The company won't provide job codes. It will simply provide me a letter with job description mentioned on it. I think job codes will be decided by USCIS.
Folks, also note the word "or" in the original job description.

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Job description looks "similar" to me. Titles may not matter. Though first title is more about "Directing" and second one is about "Coordinating and planning" What about job codes? . No large gap between saralies so you will be fine there as well. As long as Job codes are similar you will certainly be fine.
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Bharat,
The company won't provide job codes. It will simply provide me a letter with job description mentioned on it. I think job codes will be decided by USCIS.
Folks, also note the word "or" in the original job description.
Good.
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Now let's disect this baby. What you have: Job code in present GC file
And thus complete Job Description.

What you may need to do.
====================

Request the same job description as per your present job code in your new offer letter.
Yes, you can certainly request that "demand"... At the most what they can do is to say "No, officially it is not our policy to give you that in writing...." Mostly they would agree seeing the reason behind it and if you get that you do not require this thread to go on. If you can't do that. Then make sure new job description is matching more than 50 % in every aspect. See following link ( I am sure.. You must be knowing it already and I have a feeling that you have opened this thread for educational purpose..)

http://online.onetcenter.org/find/

And at least get emphasized "Directing" part in your offer letter and you would be fine.
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as per the ONET code , if the job description is exactly the same..does USCIS care about the title..I looked up the responsibilities of "Programmer Analyst" vs "Software Engineer"..they both seem to be different as per ONET..but in reality they both could share the same job description..what do u guys think?

oh well.. first it was Labor, then I-140, then 485.. ead,ap etc. etc..and now AC21... how many times do we have to prove and wait with USCIS..

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as per the ONET code , if the job description is exactly the same..does USCIS care about the title..I looked up the responsibilities of "Programmer Analyst" vs "Software Engineer"..they both seem to be different as per ONET..but in reality they both could share the same job description..what do u guys think?

oh well.. first it was Labor, then I-140, then 485.. ead,ap etc. etc..and now AC21... how many times do we have to prove and wait with USCIS..

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I am also in similar situation. My labor says title as "Programmer Analyst"
and I have an offer as a Database Administrator.

If I look for onetcenter I am not seeing a direct code for "Programmer Analyst" but I see

a) 15-1051.00 Computer Systems Analysts
Sample of reported job titles: Systems Analyst, Programmer Analyst, Computer Systems Consultant, Business Systems Analyst, Systems Engineer, Computer Specialist, Computer Systems Analyst, Data Processing Systems Analyst, Information Technology Consultant (IT Consultant), Information Technology Specialist



b) 15-1021.00 Computer Programmers
Sample of reported job titles: Programmer Analyst, Programmer, Computer Programmer, Software Developer, Internet Programmer, Web Programmer



And when I search for the database administrator, it gives

15-1061.00 Database Administrators
Sample of reported job titles: Database Administrator (DBA), Database Analyst, Database Coordinator,
Database Programmer, Programmer Analyst, Systems Manager


So should we look at the sample of reported job titles? If thats the case all the above mentions programmer Analyst.

Secondly my labor salarys is 65K. New job offer sal is 85K . Is this salary hike Ok ? When I checked with the HR from the new company, they said they can give a letter saying the job is permanent, title as dba and salary as 85k with the same job description as in the labor.

So only the 2 points matter here seems to be salary hike of 20K which is about 30% higher from the labor and the title (labor> programmer analyst, new offer> Database Administrator)



Appreciate ur inputs
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I am also in similar situation. My labor says title as "Programmer Analyst"
and I have an offer as a Database Administrator.

If I look for onetcenter I am not seeing a direct code for "Programmer Analyst" but I see

a) 15-1051.00 Computer Systems Analysts
Sample of reported job titles: Systems Analyst, Programmer Analyst, Computer Systems Consultant, Business Systems Analyst, Systems Engineer, Computer Specialist, Computer Systems Analyst, Data Processing Systems Analyst, Information Technology Consultant (IT Consultant), Information Technology Specialist



b) 15-1021.00 Computer Programmers
Sample of reported job titles: Programmer Analyst, Programmer, Computer Programmer, Software Developer, Internet Programmer, Web Programmer



And when I search for the database administrator, it gives

15-1061.00 Database Administrators

If 15-1061.00 is matching more than 50% in MOST evaluation areas while comparing it to your job code in your labor then you are fine otherwise you can not take this job. Or make a deal with your new employer to give you a offer letter matching the job description with your labor code in addition to what that company wants to write in your offer letter.

30% salry hike should not be problem for you.

Note: I tried to match 15-1061.00 with 15-1051.00 and relavance score is 97% so asuming your present labor code 15-1051.00 you should be fine with 'Database Administrator' title whose job description matches with 15-1061.00
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How much hike is OK? What %, amount, anything?
If we have W2 shown as 95K and if we are getting 130K in new job is the salary too much? Can we ask for part in W2 and part in Corp to corp assuming we have our own company?
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How much hike is OK? What %, amount, anything?
If we have W2 shown as 95K and if we are getting 130K in new job is the salary too much? Can we ask for part in W2 and part in Corp to corp assuming we have our own company?
Can you elaborate on how you want to accept part as W2 and part as C2C? This arrangement is a good idea if it works.
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in the above DOL website, i get the same job codes for both "software engineer" and "application consultant", does this mean, i can take up job as application consultant even if my labor was filed for software engg??? thanks.
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Can you elaborate on how you want to accept part as W2 and part as C2C? This arrangement is a good idea if it works.
I am still pondering on this. Assume we start a Corp. called SELF INC.
You start with company A using AC21. Negotiate a salary of 100K. For the remaining 30K ask A to do C2C to SELF INC. I see no problem there but I am not sure.
There are many GC holders who do C2C/1099 instead of W2. I would prefer C2C against 1099. Only thing is A should be willing to do this.
Run payroll for yourself in SELF inc. Pay additional W2 to your self. Since we can start only C corp we would be taxed twice. So what. It is better this way. We can write off the expenses in SELF Inc. More importantly we can overcome this law that we cannot make more $$ without raising issues on same job code/description/title
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in the above DOL website, i get the same job codes for both "software engineer" and "application consultant", does this mean, i can take up job as application consultant even if my labor was filed for software engg??? thanks.
This can best be answered if we get the job code and description. As far as I know title and technology "platform" does not matter much.
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as long as your job duties are the same or similar it doesnt matter what title and salary it is..this is according to my lawyer....
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