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Default Interesting : How H1B 65K visas are over so quickly

http://ia.rediff.com/money/2007/feb/08visa.htm

We now know why the 65K limit is used quickly.
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This will make sure that even 120K of H1b cap will be reached in 2 more months.
Thats why they are asking exemptions for certain people. If congress increase without any regulation then that will not resolve the problem. Still Microsoft or Intel cannot get H1 because TCS, WIPRO and other consulting companies will use most the Visas.


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We now know why the 65K limit is used quickly.
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Indians are driven by slave mentality/bonded labor, a legacy from British empire. We screw our own people first.

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i guess they don't care much because one way or the other they are bringing in tech people into US........ :-)
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This is all the more reason why some kind of reform is needed. There needs to be a move away from employer driven skilled-immigration to people driven. Other countries like Canada and Australia seem to be using the points system very effectively.
This also provides an effective way to regulate immigration by tweaking the cut-off score for acceptance...
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Thumbs up well said ..

centaur, that seem to be the fact we all have to accept. its true.
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Default So, something on H1B visas is in the works...

otherwise these magazines, authors, talkshow hosts don't care a dime about the issue.

Let's keep our ears to the ground and listen for an approaching H1Bvisa (bill) train. We will then hitch-hike on that. Pure and Simple, Watson.
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Default This might be a better approach

This approach seems to be much fair, where the Points could be evaluted based on may factors which includes
1) work Experience
2) candidate qualifications
3) acheivements
4) length of his stay in US.

Can we push for any reforms in this direction .

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This is all the more reason why some kind of reform is needed. There needs to be a move away from employer driven skilled-immigration to people driven. Other countries like Canada and Australia seem to be using the points system very effectively.
This also provides an effective way to regulate immigration by tweaking the cut-off score for acceptance...
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First off, I don't think Indian outsourcing companies are abusing the system here. They adhere to the law and pay prevailing wages for their H1B employees. And, as this article rightly mentions, H1B visas are issued on first-come-first-served basis and these companies file their applications in time to get their H1Bs. Having said that, it's true that this scenario hurting the purpose of H1B program, which is to bring high-skilled labor for various fields that can add value to the US economy.

One solution may be to increase the cap. But in order to avoid a select companies/fields(read IT) usurping most of the visas, law can be changed to set a cap within the overall cap on the number of visas that's allotted to a particular field.
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This is true, we are kingmakers but not kings..
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we do not know if they are abusing or not. Paying the prevailing wages doesn't mean they are not abusing. I heard instances where a company cannot get a B1 or L1, they apply for a H1-B for a short 3 months trip. That to me is abusing the system.
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Well its a two way street. Due to the limited number of visas available and the unpredictability of demand, companies have to plan in advance. Now a days most major companies (indian or otherwise) get blanket H1 approvals for teams, so that they can send resources to US when the need arises. Companies have to plan resource requirements and H1 requirements 3 years in advance, they may have 50 people with H1 and only 20 are sent to US.
Each worker cannot be sent on L1. There should be separate category/quota for consulting visas.
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Well its a two way street. Due to the limited number of visas available and the unpredictability of demand, companies have to plan in advance. Now a days most major companies (indian or otherwise) get blanket H1 approvals for teams, so that they can send resources to US when the need arises. Companies have to plan resource requirements and H1 requirements 3 years in advance, they may have 50 people with H1 and only 20 are sent to US.
Each worker cannot be sent on L1. There should be separate category/quota for consulting visas.
Well, for short durations there are other visas you can use. H1-B was solely for the purpose of bringing skilled workers for US companies.

These days there's more scrutiny for B1 & L1 and there are lots of rejections. So companies are switching to H1 and it's probably the easiest visa to get.
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Indians are driven by slave mentality/bonded labor, a legacy from British empire. We screw our own people first.

Sad.
centaur, Speak for yourself, not for the entire community or country. Your frustration with the delay in your green card application processing is not a valid reason enough to brand a billion people of a country as slaves. And some bad employers from one country do not mean that the entire population of a country is unethical. I have met many good people from India and other parts of the world during my stay in US.



As for article, people pay money to get their articles published. Do a Google search on “Ron Hira” and you will find out that this guy is an anti-H1B from the word go. So it is no surprise that he has been able to use the “newly available data” to support his position. Whatever is published in the press is always not true, but is the handy work of publicist and media managers. People like Ron Hira form their position and then go out in search of data to support their position. When they find some data that directly do not support their position, they twist the data to “imply” something that supports their position. Just as in this case, “8 out of top 10 H-1B employers were US companies” but Ron Hira is saying H-1B promotes outsourcing. Hello????? Say if H-1b program banned and these 8 large US companies/ employers were not able to get people from outside, wouldn’t these large companies look for ways and means to get their job done outside? Wouldn’t that promote outsourcing? But hell, Rediff says - Ron Hira – The Policy Guru at Rochester Institute of Technology says H-1B promotes outsourcing!!!! Rediff’s target readers/audiences is Indian Americans and in the recent past have they printed any article to highlight the delays in green card even though such a large number of Indian-American suffer because of this problem???? No. Ask Why? Because even though we all experience massive retrogression, none of us have put any money in the pocket of Rediff!!! Hell with Rediff. Those guys are all for $$$. I do not read Rediff at all. I would encourage others to Boycott Rediff.

Also, BTW, I see few idiots - people asking IV about accountability. I suspect IV got good number of articles published at various newspapers to increase the profile of the issue by paying some amount. I came to this website after reading one such article. Now here is for people who ask IV for accountability, do you expect IV to declare that they spent $$XXXXXX on getting the articles published in X, Y & Z media?? In real world you have to pay to get your issues covered and voices heard if the subject is other than Iraq war or CIA leak-Scooter Libby case.... some food for your thought....

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Work Visas May Work Against the U.S.
Indian outsourcers file the most applications for temporary H-1B visas. Are they using them to train staff for jobs abroad?
by Peter Elstrom

America's visa program for temporary workers was originally set up to allow U.S. companies to bring skilled workers who are in short supply to the U.S. Microsoft (MSFT), IBM (IBM), Intel (INTC), Oracle (ORCL), and Sun Microsystems (SUNW) have been active participants in the program, hiring foreign workers for specialized computer programming jobs and positions managing projects with overseas staff.

The visas, known as H-1Bs, are popular enough that President George W. Bush is calling for an increase in the cap on the number of workers who can come to the U.S. under the program. "We've got to expand what's called H-1B visas," he said in a January speech. "It makes no sense to say to a young scientist in India, you can't come to America to help this [country] develop technologies that help us deal with our problems."

Outsourcing Conduit…But a review of new information from the federal government suggests that the companies benefiting most from the temporary worker program aren't U.S. companies at all. Rather, they appear to be Indian outsourcing firms, which often hire workers from India to train in the U.S. before returning home to work. Data for the fiscal year 2006, which ended last September, show that 7 of the top 10 applicants for H-1B visas are Indian companies. Giants Infosys Technologies (INFY) and Wipro (WIT) took the top two spots, with 22,600 and 19,400 applications, respectively. The company with the third most applications is Cognizant Technology Solutions (CTSH), which is based in Teaneck, N.J., but has most of its operations in India. All three companies provide services to U.S. companies from India, including technology support and back-office processing.

The only other U.S. companies among the top 10 are the accounting and consulting firm Deloitte & Touche and consultancy Accenture (ACN). They rank seventh and ninth, with 8,000 and 7,000 applications, respectively.

The dominance of Indian outsourcing companies raises public policy questions about the temporary visa program. Some experts say that while the intent of H-1B visas may be to help U.S. companies hire workers with rare skills, the effect in some cases may be to facilitate moving jobs abroad. The issue has also sparked concern among some prominent U.S. tech companies, which worry that outsourcers could abuse the visa program, harming the tech firms' ability to attract foreign talent.

Ron Hira, a public policy professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology, says it appears that Indian firms may be using their H-1Bs to bring in workers from their home countries to make them more effective at outsourcing jobs in India. "The visa program serves a good purpose when it brings in the best and the brightest," says Hira, who is on leave at the nonprofit Economic Policy Institute and crunched the recently released visa data to compile the list of top applicants. He says that as recently as 1998 eight of the top 10 H-1B visa applicants were U.S. companies. "It serves a bad purpose when it's used to facilitate outsourcing."

Or Competitive Edge?
The Indian outsourcing firms say that's a misinterpretation of the data. They argue that the temporary visa program allows outsourcing firms to help U.S. companies become more flexible and ultimately more competitive in the global economy. Wipro has more than 4,000 employees in the U.S., and roughly 2,500 are on H-1B visas. About 1,000 new temporary workers come to the country each year, while 1,000 rotate back to India, with improved skills to serve clients. "Our goal is to make our customers more competitive," says Laxman Badiga, Wipro's chief information officer. An Infosys spokeswoman said executives from that company were not available for comment.

The government visa data cover only the number of applications for visas, not the number actually awarded. U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services releases the identities of companies that apply for H-1B visas, not those that receive them. A spokesman for USCIS, which is part of the Homeland Security Dept., says it won't discuss individual companies because of privacy issues.

Still, the number of visas awarded is likely correlated to the number of applications. Efran Hernandez, chief of business and trade services for USCIS, says H-1B visas are awarded on a "first-come, first-serve" basis and there is no preference given to U.S. companies over non-U.S. companies. "You have to be a U.S. employer," says Hernandez. "That doesn't mean you have to be a U.S. company."

No Market Test for H-1B
In addition, the temporary visa program includes no requirement that companies in the U.S. try to hire American employees before they turn to foreign workers. To obtain a permanent visa, companies must conduct and provide to the government a labor market test, in which they demonstrate that they sought to hire American workers first. But the H-1B temporary visa program mandates no such market test. Instead, companies are required only to pay the prevailing wages and benefits for a certain job in a certain market.

The government, including USCIS, says that the provision means that most companies are going to hire Americans, because there's no financial advantage to choosing a non-U.S. worker. But Hira says Indian companies could choose to hire workers from India for training purposes, rather than financial gain. Government officials acknowledge that companies that want to give preference to workers from other countries could theoretically do so. "There's nothing built into the law to stop that," says Hernandez.

Many U.S. companies are enthusiastic supporters of the H-1B visa program. Tech companies may be the most active participants, but the visas are also used by companies from General Electric (GE) and Boeing (BA) to Lehman Brothers (LEH) and Caterpillar (CAT). Companies have been lobbying the government to increase the cap on the number of H-1B visas from the current 65,000. (Because there are exceptions for certain kinds of jobs, the number of visas issued regularly exceeds that level.)

Squeeze on Temporary Visas
Top technology companies would like to see the cap almost twice as high as it is now. The Information Technology Industry Council (ITIC), whose backers include Apple (AAPL), Dell (DELL), eBay (EBAY), and Intel, last year asked that the cap be raised to 115,000. The group says that bringing foreign workers with very specialized skills to the U.S.—both temporarily and permanently—is critical to increase innovation and competitiveness. "Visas are a key component of the innovation agenda," says Kara Calvert, director of government relations for the council. "It's really important to grow the economy here rather than overseas."

Yet the ITIC has become concerned in recent months that the temporary visa program is not being used for its original purpose. The council's members may not be able to get the workers they want from abroad because the numerous applications from non-U.S. companies mean fewer H-1B visas are available for U.S. companies. "We hit the cap earlier and earlier," Calvert says. "We think it's important to ensure that the visas are used for the purpose for which they were intended."

One reason for the squeeze may be that Indian outsourcers have boosted their visa applications just as the cap has been lowered. Wipro applied for 3,100 visas in 2001, when the H-1B cap was 195,000 workers, according to Hira's calculations. Wipro applied for six times that many H-1B visas last year, when the cap was a third of the previous total.

No Easy Answers
Wipro's Badiga says Indian companies are helping to create good jobs in the U.S. and fostering innovation. The jobs that Wipro offers in the U.S. to both Indian and U.S. workers, he says, are more skilled positions for high-level software design or important customer relations. What he calls "rote programming jobs" are done from India. He says that the H-1B visa program allows Wipro workers to get valuable experience in the States and be more effective at serving customers in the U.S. "The key question is whether we can create the best value chain to help our customers be as competitive as possible," says Badiga.

Even critics say that there are no easy solutions for revising the temporary worker program. Restricting the ability of Indian outsourcing companies to use H-1Bs, for example, may not stop them from being used for more effective outsourcing. Accenture, an active participant in the program and one of the top U. S. outsourcing firms, could hypothetically use the visas in exactly the same way that Wipro and Infosys do. A spokeswoman for Accenture did not return calls seeking comment.

U.S. tech companies may push for revisions to the H-1B program. They could ask that Congress limit the number of visas that go to non-U.S. companies or that the identities of the recipients be disclosed fully and speedily. President Bush has said that he wants to work with the Democratic Congress on new immigration and visa policies, although it's unclear what shape those reforms might take (see BusinessWeek.com, 1/24/07, "Salesman In Chief"). "If companies are abusing those visas, that hurts U.S. companies," says the ITIC's Calvert. "We want to be at the table when the discussions [on H-1Bs] occur."
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