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Thanks Raj,

This is the reason I mentioned that we do not need a ATV when going to India, since we have Indian Passport and going back to our home country. I am thinking of getting a ATV from India, by going to the German Embassy there. Or I may end up cancelling the tickets itself, which is a big loss.
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Default AIR India Web site says it's required

This is crazy. Air India website says ATV is required for Advance Parole holders.

AirIndia - International - DATV - Direct Airside Transit Visa


DATV (Direct Airside Transit Visa) requirement for flights AI191 Mumbai to Newark and AI144 Newark to Mumbai.



The Direct Airside Transit Visa (DATV) is required in the following circumstances:

Passengers holding Parole letter (1-512) issued by US.
Passengers holding wet ink ADIT stamp issued by US.
Passengers holding Alien Resident Card issued by US prior to 21st April 1988.
Passengers holding Transportation letter issued by US.
Passengers traveling other than "D" type sciengan Visa or residence permit issued by EEA states.
Non compliance of DATV requirement for travel via London compels Mumbai station to offload such passengers in Mumbai.
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I cannot think of other than making money any other reason for them to come up with such rules....for AP holders....they know most of AP holder will never be of any trouble when athey are in German for a short duration or seek asylum etc in Germany as most of the AP holders wants to US green card and have stable jobs . income etc in USA.....

ntpatil :

please share your experience with others when u return back after getting ATV in India....

all the best.....
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why does Air India have Newark to Mumbai requiring ATV?. Mumbai to Newark is understandable, but if you are going to India, why do you need an ATV.

Then on the last line they say that passengers will not be allowed in Mumbai, which means that they are talking only about Mumbai to Newark. What nonsense, they don't even know what they are writing.

I am just making sure that I DO NOT need an ATV to go from here, since I do not have time to apply. I will get the ATV from India before I travel.
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Default When Did u get the appointment for?

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hi,
-Not sure what you mean by "To go to India, we do not need a transit visa". My understanding is that you need Transit visa every time via the German Airport.

-As per the Consualte website you need to appear in person. You cannot apply via post.

-I am travelling to another state to get apply for my visa. (to Illinois).

-I asked the consulate if I both my onward and return journey will be covered by one transit visa. He replied in the mail saying they will try to cover me bothways.

-Since you have only one week I am not sure if you could get back your visa within that time frame. The embassy says it will take 2 weeks to send back the stamped passports.

my suggestion is that to send an email to the embassy right away explaining your situation (lack of time) and ask their advice.

regards
When did you get teh appointment for at Chicago? The earliest date I see is 27th May, I got to travelon 21st so this does not work for me.
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Default How do you get an ATV in India?

npatil,

Not sure if you have seen this link http://www.chennai.diplo.de/Vertretu...erty=Daten.pdf
One of teh pre-requisites for getting ATV is Visa to the destination country i.e US in your case and my case. So how would you get that if you are on AP (unless you have a H1/H4 in your hand, in which case u r probably better of getting teh US visa)?

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why does Air India have Newark to Mumbai requiring ATV?. Mumbai to Newark is understandable, but if you are going to India, why do you need an ATV.

Then on the last line they say that passengers will not be allowed in Mumbai, which means that they are talking only about Mumbai to Newark. What nonsense, they don't even know what they are writing.

I am just making sure that I DO NOT need an ATV to go from here, since I do not have time to apply. I will get the ATV from India before I travel.
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Can't we get an ATV from India on Advance Parole. I am assuming that they treat AP as a Visa to USA. Also, can someone confirm that I will NOT need an ATV when going from here to India. I know that under the requirements, they state that Indian passport holders do not need ATV if they are going to India, but did anyone have any experience of AP or transit visa being checked when going to India from USA.
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Default Just called Air India Customer service

Guys,

I just called Air India customer service to ask about Transit Visa requirement at Frankfurt.

The guy on the phone told me that the Transit Visa is not required at Frankfurt. I specifically asked him about Transit Visa requirement for people travelling on Advance Parole. He replied saying that in any case, Transit Visa is not required at Frankfurt.


I guess the information on Air India website is regarding the London Transit visa as the Air India flights were used to travel Via London till 5 years back.

And that information might not be updated in last 5 years.
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I spoke to the German consulate in Washington DC yesterday and the guy there told me you don't need a transit visa for if you have Advanced Parole.
I sent an email to the Houston German Embassy and this is their reply.

"no transit visa is required, but you will not be allowed to leave the transit area"

I have taken a print out of this email and show it to them if they create problems while coming back.

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ogacihc, how about when leaving the country and going to India. Do you think it is safe to go when we do not have ATV from here. I am worried since only my wife and kids are traveling.
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ogacihc, how about when leaving the country and going to India. Do you think it is safe to go when we do not have ATV from here. I am worried since only my wife and kids are traveling.
According to their website, going to India from the US should be fine as long as you have a valid Indian passport. It could be a problem when you are coming back to the US using AP.

Again, these stupid German Embassy staffs are not giving a consistent reply. one says you need it and the other one says you don't. Some don't know what they are talking about.
I think Indian Embassy is far better than these German Embassies.

I am all confused.
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Thanks a lot for your reply ogacihc, since they are travelling on 19th, I do not have time at all. I am also confused and the more I talk to people the more I am confused. But you will know only if you get experiences from others...hence I keep asking.

Are you applying for ATV when going to India from here, or you will go with the email printout.
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Thanks everyone for all the responses. Now I have got some clarity (ofcourse the answers from each counsular region are contradictary, but I assumed the worst, i.e we need ATV when on AP)

Below are my thoughts. Let me know if you see any flaws in the thinking or better ideas.

1. Me & my wife (on AP) and my son who is a citizen are scheduled to travel next week.

2. Based on the info at this URL, I'm good for travel from US to India. I'll take this print out.
German Missions in the United States - Transit Visa Country List

3. I have a Business Visa for UK good for 10 years. So I'm thinking I'm covered as indicated by this URL http://www.new-delhi.diplo.de/Vertre...erty=Daten.pdf for travel back to US.

Excerpt from above URL: An Airport Transit Visa is not required for holders of valid visa issued by Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Ireland, United Kingdom, Canada, Japan or
the USA irrespective of the travel destination.

Since my son is a citizen of US he is covered as well.

4. Coming to my wife I have the following options in the below order of preference

A) Apply for US Visa, she still holds 4 months of H1B validity on I 797 - currently no appointments available
B) Apply for Transit Visa at German Consulate in India - Hope they will accept AP to grant Transit Visa
C) Re-route the itenary via middle east to US thus skipping Germany - Not sure how difficult this would be with lufthansa
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Default Afte Legal Stay

I had the same question about 'returning after Legal Stay' as an exception for Transit Visa.
I am sure this adds more confusion to this thread but wanted to share the info that I have.

Here is my E-mail correspondence that I had 2 weeks before with German Consulate.

+++++++Mail #1 from me to the Consulate:
> We are citizens of India residing in USA.
> We are flying via Frankfurt in June.
> My family is returning to India after legal stay in USA. I will be flying back via Frankfurt to USA.
> All of us have Indian Passports and also Advanced Parole documents issues by USCIS.
> The transit stay at Frankfurt is less than 2 hours and we will be boarding the same flight.
> Please let's know if we have to take Transit visa for our Travel.
> Last time when we travelled via Frankfurt in 2007 we didn't have to take a Transit Visa.
> Thank you

++++++Reply to Mail#1 from German Consulate(Boston):
> Sorry, the rule "after a legal stay" was skipped in the latest Visa Code.
> Please apply for an Airport Transit Visa.
> Sorry, as for now you will need an Airport Transit Visa.
> Sorry, also an "Advance Parole" does not exempt anymore from the requirement of the need of an Airport Transit Visa.
>
> Yours sincerely,
> by order

+++++Mail #2 from me:
> Thank you very much for your reply.
> Can you please let me know what you mean by 'after a legal stay' was skipped in latest Visa code.
> I still see that in your website says Indian nationals are exempted from Transit visa
> " If they return to the country which citizenship they hold after a legal stay in the U.S." (German Missions in the United States - Transit Visa Country List)
> Also can you please confirm if visa rules regarding 'Advanced Parole' was changed afer Feburary-2010 as I have come to know that many people having Advacned Parole were able to transit via Frankfurt without Transit visa.
> Again, Thank you for your prompt response.
> Regards
> Sree


++++Reply to Mail#2 from German Consulate(Boston):
Sorry, the rule "after a legal stay" was skipped in the latest Visa Code which went into effect on April 5, 2010.
Please apply for an Airport Transit Visa.
Sorry, as for now you will need an Airport Transit Visa.
Sorry, also an "Advance Parole" does not exempt anymore from the requirement of the need of an Airport Transit Visa.

Yours sincerely,
by order
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$#*@&#$(@&@&# - arrghhhh...Thieves...wish i had known this before booking my tickets.

Its pretty clear we need an ATV to return to USA via Germany with an AP!!! I always liked Lufthansa, will have to look for some other Airlines in the future.
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