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Pleasure my purpose,
I pushed and shoved,
Took what I needed,
Without twang of guilt,
Or fear of reprisal--
Whether a slice of love,
Or the occasional bribe;

In opportune moments,
When greed commanded,
Rules had to be bent,
Truth betrayed,
Sometimes loyalty
Trampled into the ground--
Yet I never grovelled;

Indifferent and defiant,
Committed to no one,
But myself,
I wasted and squandered
Until that fateful twitch;

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You may writhe or whine
You may fret or fume
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In the end.. ohh my friend ..
All we realise is ..
We have fallen into a bottomless pit
with no way out

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So help yourself ......


You may writhe or whine
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You may squeal or squirm
In the end.. ohh my friend ..
All we realise is ..
We have fallen into a bottomless pit
with no way out

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If thou speakest not I will fill my heart with thy silence and endure it. I will keep still and wait like the night with starry vigil and its head bent low with patience.

The morning will surely come, the darkness will vanish, and thy voice pour down in golden streams breaking through the sky.

Then thy words will take wing in songs from every one of my birds' nests, and thy melodies will break forth in flowers in all my forest groves.

Courtsey: Gitanjali-Guruvarya Rabindranath Tagore
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Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;

Where knowledge is free;

Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls;

Where words come out from the depth of truth;

Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;

Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;

Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action---

Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let me awake.

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bharatpremi+others,

this is great poem, one we often went back to when i was growing up.

however, i don't know about others, but i'm am bit tired of the same repeated 'join your state chapter or you are doomed messages'. whenever someone new to the forum posts something, there are always some people immediately asking the question, 'have you contributed', 'have you joined your state chapter'...with negative energy. this is a very violent approach in my opinion. the newcomers first need to convinced before we start ramming them.

in case some of the readers are ready to start slamming my post - remember, i'm an active and contributing member, and have also helped a lot of people sign up.

the approach i'm now following is the following - reaching out to my immediate friends and asking them to start contributing. when a message comes from someone you know, it is much more potent. For more information I'll refer you to Cialdini's book, 'Influence' (prescribed in most top mba schools). The concepts I refer to here are called Social Proof and Liking.


Social Proof - People will do things that they see other people are doing.
Liking - People are easily persuaded by other people that they like.


I'm often suprised when I talk to my friends that most people do not still understand the gravity of the situation. They are waiting for their 180 days to be over so that they can get other jobs. In some sense, the Jul 2nd fiasco was a bad thing.. it provided short term relief and has left people with hope that everything will be over after 180 days.

In any case, reaching out to friends, convincing them and in turn asking them to reach out to others is my way to go. and it is working.
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bharatpremi+others,

this is great poem, one we often went back to when i was growing up.

My response: Yes. I have decided to study Gitanjali once I am done with this
mess.It cheers up every cell of your body and every atom your
soul.

however, i don't know about others, but i'm am bit tired of the same repeated 'join your state chapter or you are doomed messages'. whenever someone new to the forum posts something, there are always some people immediately asking the question, 'have you contributed', 'have you joined your state chapter'...with negative energy. this is a very violent approach in my opinion. the newcomers first need to convinced before we start ramming them.

Ans: I hear you and hear you well. Should I say you are wrong? I would say
no, you are not wrong. Should I say you are right? Perhaps not either.
See, the truth is somewhere in middle. I understand your point and
perhaps that was the reason I decided to start this separate thread to
address anonymous ones.Now just imagine, one question, posted in any
thread by dedicated member is irritating somebody (though it is
perfectly legitimate to ask that question)then how irritating it would be
for the members not to get the required support at the moment when
it is desparately needed. Most of those members, as professional and
busy as other anonymous or passive ones, have invested their time,
money, perhaps every inch of soul to lead our EB community through
this puposefully and cunningly created mess with a definate goal to kick
most of us out. When they do their job with self less intention and do
not see the support even after requesting with mild tone then it is
obvious that they also get irritated a bit and sometime somebody start
asking those questions what you are mentioning.

As a philosophical and logical point of view,if you think, IV has given this
free space to everybody to post their threads and opinions then if it is
not wrong to start completely irrelavant thread and post opinions then
how can it be wrong for members asking question about becoming
member of state chapter or rquesting contribution. I have thought
about it. If I am a anonymous or passive member, I would at least
become a member of state chapter, in case I definately want the
access of wealth of information on IV threads again and again in
future and perhaps that would enable those members stop asking
question.

Now practical point of view, let me give you example, If one's home is
on fire, What would he scream about? Either he would scream for
firefighter, water or police or telling somebody to dial 911. Just fit
those members with this analogy and you would never be irritated.

Many of members have asked the same question to me as well "Have
you become a member?" ,"Have you contribued?" when I started some
of the threads in past which were important in my point of view but sort
of "irrelevant" in terms of IV's need of that particular time. I used to
answer politely, exactly the way you mentioned here about yourself,
and request them to see my signature. I got highest number of REDS
that day so much so I had to beg for Greens . I did not get annoyed. I
understood why they were doing the things what they were doing. I
opened up thread about "December Visa Bulletin" while IV was just
about to start funding drive. I realized that and never open unnecessary
and irrelevant threads afterwards.

Do you think what I did was right ?
in case some of the readers are ready to start slamming my post - remember, i'm an active and contributing member, and have also helped a lot of people sign up.

the approach i'm now following is the following - reaching out to my immediate friends and asking them to start contributing. when a message comes from someone you know, it is much more potent. For more information I'll refer you to Cialdini's book, 'Influence' (prescribed in most top mba schools). The concepts I refer to here are called Social Proof and Liking.


Social Proof - People will do things that they see other people are doing.
Liking - People are easily persuaded by other people that they like.

Ans: Yes, I 100% agree with you and this is the fact for us human beings.

I'm often suprised when I talk to my friends that most people do not still understand the gravity of the situation. They are waiting for their 180 days to be over so that they can get other jobs. In some sense, the Jul 2nd fiasco was a bad thing.. it provided short term relief and has left people with hope that everything will be over after 180 days.

Ans: Now tell me what do you see here? serious problem or Normal daily
routine for normal Joe? I see that as "Nero planning to play flute when
Rome is burning". Please explain them to get awaken before it is too late.
If you need any one's help from IV please let us know. Situation is very
critical. Please do not think that I am fear mongering.


In any case, reaching out to friends, convincing them and in turn asking them to reach out to others is my way to go. and it is working.
I hope I could reply you convincingly. Thanks.
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zephyrr does make some very good points
how one responds and how dominant the theme of asking about contributions has become, does color opinions with new members
imho when someone asks a question...answer it first! then request participation/contributions etc
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zephyrr does make some very good points
how one responds and how dominant the theme of asking about contributions has become, does color opinions with new members
imho when someone asks a question...answer it first! then request participation/contributions etc
Yes, that would be the good approach. "Answer first if we can and then request"
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