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arpitdwivedi 01-31-2008 07:04 PM

GC Question in Democratic Debate on CNN tonight
 
First, Thanks to ALL who voted and made my question come up to No 2 on the list in such a short period of time. It was unfortunate though that it was never asked in the debate. The reasons could be many. Neverthless I would like to applaud the efforts from all of us.
I think if we keep raising the issue of Legal Immgration, very soon it will catch up the popularity with these politicians as well. We can rephrase the question and keep bringing it back to the table. I can only hope for the best for us, like all of us.
Once again, thanks to all for voting.

regards,
Arpit Dwivedi



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Hi All,

Tonight at 8:00 PM EST is the last debate between democratic candidates before the super tuesday. CNN is holding this debate from Kodak Theater, LA. CNN allows some very popular questions from the general public to be asked to the candidates in these debates.

I had put up a question regarding the 'Legal immigration (Green card) issues' yesterday on www.politico.com and it has caught on popularity. I see that another friend already put this up on this forum and has asked all to vote for the question. Thanks to all now the question is ranked # 3.

To make it a sure shot question in the debate, I would like to request you all to:

- go to http://dyn.politico.com/debate/democ...orQuestion.cfm
- go to the 'Most popular' tab
- VOTE for the Immigration question (currently ranked # 3) that talks about naturalization and green card problems.

What this will do is that this question would be put up in the debate tonight and we would get to hear the opinions/ plans of Obama and Clinton on this big issue.

Thanks and regards,

Arpit Dwivedi

ampudhukode 01-31-2008 07:13 PM

Good Job
 
Done......

ychuck 01-31-2008 07:17 PM

Hope they get it right...
 
Done..hope they get it right..by not confusing it with family based or more H1B visas.

Nagireddi 01-31-2008 07:22 PM

Very good job
 
I have just voted for it. Thanks for posting/posing a very good question.

iad2ead 01-31-2008 07:38 PM

Question is moving.. search for immigration
 
Done,
Make sure to check for "immigration" . Question is moving down!!!

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santb1975 01-31-2008 07:49 PM

Thanks
 
I sent that question in about 2 weeks ago. I am glad it got noticed by an IV'an yesterday. A few of us posted on the state chapters yesterday afternoon and members voted and kept it on top. Hopefully the question will get asked. We should send similar questions to the presidential debate's as well

Quote:

Originally Posted by arpitdwivedi (Post 218902)
Hi All,

Tonight at 8:00 PM EST is the last debate between democratic candidates before the super tuesday. CNN is holding this debate from Kodak Theater, LA. CNN allows some very popular questions from the general public to be asked to the candidates in these debates.

I had put up a question regarding the 'Legal immigration (Green card) issues' yesterday on www.politico.com and it has caught on popularity. I see that another friend already put this up on this forum and has asked all to vote for the question. Thanks to all now the question is ranked # 3.

To make it a sure shot question in the debate, I would like to request you all to:

- go to http://dyn.politico.com/debate/democ...orQuestion.cfm
- go to the 'Most popular' tab
- VOTE for the Immigration question (currently ranked # 3) that talks about naturalization and green card problems.

What this will do is that this question would be put up in the debate tonight and we would get to hear the opinions/ plans of Obama and Clinton on this big issue.

Thanks and regards,

Arpit Dwivedi


ampudhukode 01-31-2008 07:53 PM

Two of them
 
There are two of them one is currently at 2 and the other one at 7 . Has there been a repetition ?

SFSweta 01-31-2008 08:23 PM

Great Job
 
Hi there,
Whoever initiated this - FANTASTIC. I voted earlier this afternoon and it was question number 5. Now, it's up to Question number 2!! Awesome :D

I wish I was home already to watch this whole thing on TV. Unfortunately, I'll be watching on latimes.com (Live Streaming Video).

This is really awesome! :)

Sweta.

helpmeExperts 01-31-2008 08:27 PM

what happned
 
the immigration question is goin down.......what happned all of a sudden

arc 01-31-2008 08:31 PM

Voted
 
currently its number 2 - Can you make it more specific? for GCs - If not this is also good... as some one said " everyone wants to change which everyone else wrote" :)

Thanks for the innovative effort...

greencard_fever 01-31-2008 11:26 PM

Voted
 
Great idea..appreciate it..

ampudhukode 02-01-2008 02:14 AM

???
 
What happened ? I couldnt watch the debate.

gcnirvana 02-01-2008 02:16 AM

Check out this thread for details but the bottomline is none of the questions we voted for was asked :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by ampudhukode (Post 219015)
What happened ? I couldnt watch the debate.


gjoe 02-01-2008 07:53 AM

I guess we have to rephrase our question
 
I think we should ask them something like "When it takes 7-10 yrs for a legal immigrant to get his green card, what would be your estimate for illegal immigrants to get their green card / citizenship when they are sent to the back of the line as per your plan? Don't you think that there are more serious issues with the immigration dept (USCIS) which is one of the causes for long waits legal immigrants face? If so do you have any plans of taking a first step to fix the agency (USCIS) problems before implementing CIR, which could break the agency because of the additional 13 million application from illegal immigrants?"

claudia255 02-01-2008 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gjoe (Post 219036)
I think we should ask them something like "When it takes 7-10 yrs for a legal immigrant to get his green card, what would be your estimate for illegal immigrants to get their green card / citizenship when they are sent to the back of the line as per your plan? Don't you think that there are more serious issues with the immigration dept (USCIS) which is one of the causes for long waits legal immigrants face? If so do you have any plans of taking a first step to fix the agency (USCIS) problems before implementing CIR, which could break the agency because of the additional 13 million application from illegal immigrants?"

This is an excellent question! Very well phrased. Our plight will only be addressed in a national debate if is there is some connection to illegal immigration, which is unfortunate.
If the present delays are not eliminated, the system will crash. Simple as that. The next debate will not be after Super Tuesday I believe. Maybe after then, there will be a consensus on the specific question we should ask. But yours is definitely excellent.

NKR 02-01-2008 09:32 AM

I do not want to underestimate the excellent job that the guys who framed the questions did. I think the question did not make it because it was too long or they just do not care about us.

I was disappointed that there was just a passing mention of legal immigration in the debate.

On the other side, can't these guys at the altar think for a while before framing any rules and policies?. A case in point is the Michigan DL rule. Couldn't they comprehend the damage it is going to cause to industries and the local economy before they implemented the rule?. Are they dumb or are they just numb to our hardships?.

This whole thing stinks.

ddeka 02-01-2008 09:49 AM

Also No 18.

"18. Question on: Immigration
LEGAL skilled immigrants who pay taxes and been waiting in line to get a green card have to wait for 8 - 10 years, any plans to improve the whole system of the green card process / FBI name check delays and various other related green card naturalization process ? "


Quote:

Originally Posted by arpitdwivedi (Post 218902)
Hi All,

Tonight at 8:00 PM EST is the last debate between democratic candidates before the super tuesday. CNN is holding this debate from Kodak Theater, LA. CNN allows some very popular questions from the general public to be asked to the candidates in these debates.

I had put up a question regarding the 'Legal immigration (Green card) issues' yesterday on www.politico.com and it has caught on popularity. I see that another friend already put this up on this forum and has asked all to vote for the question. Thanks to all now the question is ranked # 3.

To make it a sure shot question in the debate, I would like to request you all to:

- go to http://dyn.politico.com/debate/democ...orQuestion.cfm
- go to the 'Most popular' tab
- VOTE for the Immigration question (currently ranked # 3) that talks about naturalization and green card problems.

What this will do is that this question would be put up in the debate tonight and we would get to hear the opinions/ plans of Obama and Clinton on this big issue.

Thanks and regards,

Arpit Dwivedi


kaisersose 02-01-2008 10:54 AM

This may sound negative, but I think we should accept facts - good or bad.

A candidate running for the president of the US cannot lose sight of the big picture. A group of half a million foreigners who will not be voting and will not be voting anytime in the near future are of no significance to the campaign. On the other hand, if such a group were taken into consideration, there is the other risk of alienating voters who are anti-immigration.

In short, talking up such an issue can only bring problems to them and nothing positive. Why will they care?

There are tons of other issues today affecting America and millions of Americans (voters) which rightfully deserve more attention than the plight of 0.5 million foreigners - or aliens in American lingo.

pappu 02-01-2008 11:09 AM

Immigration problem = undocumented immigrants.

This is a general perception.

When you try to talk about high skilled or legal immigrants

Legal high skilled immigration issue = More H1B


So you see this is the problem and we as a community should share the blame for not making the greencard issue important for lawmakers. We continue to discuss and complain on retrogression, visa bulletins and immigration problems on the forums that no lawmaker or agency will read and help us.

Nobody in the corridors of DC will really listen to us unless we tell them our problems. Unless this issue becomes a national issue such that politicians careers can be affected by their positions on this issue, it will never be a part of a presidential debate.

If only few people out of about a million high skilled immigrants in this country write letters to the president, do you really think this issue and the provisions will be considered important?

If only few people contribute in the past one month or sign up for monthly contributions, do you think we can lobby hard enough?

If only 2 members from the entire Michigan chapter work hard on the Drivers license issue and take a day off for it, do you think state will understand the true nature of the problem if Driver license is denied to legal immigrants?

Our issues have a solution and we alone can solve it if we want to. There is no need to look elsewhere. The strength is within us. It is just a matter of willingness to do something about it.

easygoer 02-01-2008 12:26 PM

The stress should be separating legal from illegal
 
Hello Everyone,

I Think our problem is that we are not separated from illegal immigrants. We should put all our efforts to separate us from illegals so that we can be saved from rejections. Many senators were supporting illegal immgrant do not want to separate issues related to legal one and our problem starts here.

rachnaj 02-01-2008 12:36 PM

the question is noving down....PLEASE vote
 
I already voted.....its moved to number 4...please IV vote...


Quote:

Originally Posted by arpitdwivedi (Post 218902)
Hi All,

Tonight at 8:00 PM EST is the last debate between democratic candidates before the super tuesday. CNN is holding this debate from Kodak Theater, LA. CNN allows some very popular questions from the general public to be asked to the candidates in these debates.

I had put up a question regarding the 'Legal immigration (Green card) issues' yesterday on www.politico.com and it has caught on popularity. I see that another friend already put this up on this forum and has asked all to vote for the question. Thanks to all now the question is ranked # 3.

To make it a sure shot question in the debate, I would like to request you all to:

- go to http://dyn.politico.com/debate/democ...orQuestion.cfm
- go to the 'Most popular' tab
- VOTE for the Immigration question (currently ranked # 3) that talks about naturalization and green card problems.

What this will do is that this question would be put up in the debate tonight and we would get to hear the opinions/ plans of Obama and Clinton on this big issue.

Thanks and regards,

Arpit Dwivedi


NKR 02-01-2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by easygoer (Post 219111)
Hello Everyone,

I Think our problem is that we are not separated from illegal immigrants. We should put all our efforts to separate us from illegals so that we can be saved from rejections. Many senators were supporting illegal immgrant do not want to separate issues related to legal one and our problem starts here.

There is more to it, it is not that they cannot distinguish between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants, the question is "do they want to?". I guess they do not want to do it for their own interest, whatever that is...

rachnaj 02-01-2008 12:40 PM

its still at number 3, sorry for the wrong message previously
 
done voting...

thnx


Quote:

Originally Posted by arpitdwivedi (Post 218902)
Hi All,

Tonight at 8:00 PM EST is the last debate between democratic candidates before the super tuesday. CNN is holding this debate from Kodak Theater, LA. CNN allows some very popular questions from the general public to be asked to the candidates in these debates.

I had put up a question regarding the 'Legal immigration (Green card) issues' yesterday on www.politico.com and it has caught on popularity. I see that another friend already put this up on this forum and has asked all to vote for the question. Thanks to all now the question is ranked # 3.

To make it a sure shot question in the debate, I would like to request you all to:

- go to http://dyn.politico.com/debate/democ...orQuestion.cfm
- go to the 'Most popular' tab
- VOTE for the Immigration question (currently ranked # 3) that talks about naturalization and green card problems.

What this will do is that this question would be put up in the debate tonight and we would get to hear the opinions/ plans of Obama and Clinton on this big issue.

Thanks and regards,

Arpit Dwivedi


NKR 02-01-2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rachnaj (Post 219117)
I already voted.....its moved to number 4...please IV vote...

you missed the bus, the debate was yesterday.

sands_14 02-01-2008 01:03 PM

We all missed the BUS
 
Might sound pessimistic but we are not going to see any favorable thing happen for another 1-2years."SUFFERING FOREVER"
On that,the Immigration system sucks .
Apply for EAD/AP.Problems:
I got approval after 4 months,AP still pending,cud not go home during holiday period because of this.A lot others are suffering.My wife is still waiting for her EAD/AP both.
Lot others have similar issues.
AC21
Its too risky to use AC21 with so may applications in and USCIS people making mistakes continuously.The operators dont talk well with you either.:mad:

I think its time to RETHINK the decision to be an immigrant in a IMMIGRANT NATION which does not bother about immigrants any more.The best way to discourage illegal immigration is to streamline the Legal Immigration.They just dont get it :confused:

sidbee 02-01-2008 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaisersose (Post 219075)
This may sound negative, but I think we should accept facts - good or bad.

A candidate running for the president of the US cannot lose sight of the big picture. A group of half a million foreigners who will not be voting and will not be voting anytime in the near future are of no significance to the campaign. On the other hand, if such a group were taken into consideration, there is the other risk of alienating voters who are anti-immigration.

In short, talking up such an issue can only bring problems to them and nothing positive. Why will they care?

There are tons of other issues today affecting America and millions of Americans (voters) which rightfully deserve more attention than the plight of 0.5 million foreigners - or aliens in American lingo.

very well said, i totally agree with u I know that unfortunate

ajju 02-01-2008 02:05 PM

not a good idea to merge with naturalization
 
Its a whole new issue and a hotter one.. So I am sure.. if this question is raised they'll just talk about naturalization and illegal immigration if time permits... think we should just pose about greencard backlog... need to isolate the question...

Still appreciate the effort and jus voted for it...
Keep the good work...

va_dude 02-01-2008 02:15 PM

I wonder why some of the people were voting for these questions today?

The debate was last nite and there was no reference to anything specific about legal immigration.

arc 02-01-2008 02:37 PM

Pappu You are Right!
 
In my previous posts I had said IV should take initiative in posting questions these Debates were early on when Anderson Cooper held his first youtube debate, I agree if everyone post their own question then it de-chanalize the effort.

You might want to think a way and we will back you up!

Still those who framed and posted was brave and not bad at all, I beleive more H1B will not hurt as well, plus when we say in the questions that 8-10 years in line for GC they are intelligent enough to understand its about more GC and not H1Bs.

Pls. spearhead this effort in making more relevant questions and I am sure whole community will back u up.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pappu (Post 219079)
Immigration problem = undocumented immigrants.

This is a general perception.

When you try to talk about high skilled or legal immigrants

Legal high skilled immigration issue = More H1B


So you see this is the problem and we as a community should share the blame for not making the greencard issue important for lawmakers. We continue to discuss and complain on retrogression, visa bulletins and immigration problems on the forums that no lawmaker or agency will read and help us.

Nobody in the corridors of DC will really listen to us unless we tell them our problems. Unless this issue becomes a national issue such that politicians careers can be affected by their positions on this issue, it will never be a part of a presidential debate.

If only few people out of about a million high skilled immigrants in this country write letters to the president, do you really think this issue and the provisions will be considered important?

If only few people contribute in the past one month or sign up for monthly contributions, do you think we can lobby hard enough?

If only 2 members from the entire Michigan chapter work hard on the Drivers license issue and take a day off for it, do you think state will understand the true nature of the problem if Driver license is denied to legal immigrants?

Our issues have a solution and we alone can solve it if we want to. There is no need to look elsewhere. The strength is within us. It is just a matter of willingness to do something about it.


va_dude 02-01-2008 04:15 PM

I dont think we can sue cnn or politico just because our question didnt get asked. They never made any guarantees, so there's no basis for us at als.

We also need to realize that a pool of half a million legal immigrants stuck in the path to residency is a very small number. In fact, out of the half a million or so, at least 10-20% of them might have labor priority dates in 2006 and 2007, and for these folks it's only been 2 years, which makes the pool even smaller. The candidates just wont be responding to specifics about legal immigration, whatever solution does come our way will be part of a large CIR bill probably in 2009.

gjoe 02-01-2008 06:12 PM

No we can't sue CNN but we can sue USCIS for other reasons
 
There was no surety that they would ask our question though it was popular. But the presidential candiates campaign staff read these and prepare the candidates before these debates. This is a very good time that they tune in to what they are educated on, just in case these kind of question comeup they should be able to handle it without looking lost. Campaign time is the only time they have to atleast try understanding to some extent what people are asking them. When they are in office they can just put it to the back burner since it is not priority for them. I would say that our efforts were not a waste.
If we want we can sue USCIS because we have been kept waiting for no credible reason other than the reason visa not available ( but they have been criminally wasting EB visas from each years quota) and the background check is not completed ( when the person is inside the US and FBI is doing checks for 2-3 yrs it doesn't really mitigate any risk in terms of national security). We can file a case and fight but the chances of winning is not very good because we are fighting a govt agency and we are not citizens. But we can get lot of publicity no matter how the case is settled.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumavenkatappa (Post 219165)
I didn't watch the debate. But, if they've not asked that question though it was one of the popular ones, then can we sue the website for misleading people? Does most popular mean that the question WILL be asked to the candidate or its just info on the website? The person who started this thread could u pls answer that? If the website didn't do anything about that question, then my point is WE MUST SUE THEM. Atleast via that route, we can gain some publicity and stress about the force of IV. We shudn't lose out on any opportunity to make people aware of IV and what we are fighting against. Just becoz that question was not asked to the candidate, it dozn't make sense to stay quiet and not asking WHY. Can we ask them WHY the question was not asked though it was one of the most popular ones? If the answer is not satisfying, then CAN WE sue the website for wasting our time??? Some admin needs to look into this ASAP.



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