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Check out Macaca's post from the times today of how immigration ( http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...=4805&page=104 (News Article Thread - 3) ) legal & illegal- is supposedly at record levels in the last 7 years. This is exactly what CIS does - scaring people about a sudden( or 'unprecedented' )surge in immigration neither of which would be true imo if we look at it as a % of native-born US citizens or as a % of world population. Thats why I think iv needs to form subgroups interested in crunching numbers over the weekends to respond forcefully to rubbish like this - any nerds willing to devote some weekends to come up with a plan to tackle this
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The cynic in me says its wilful ignorance but Julia Preston apparently is the only one on the immigration beat for the whole freakin times it seems so she obviously is overworked for as complex an issue as this. CIS has cunningly occupied both an advocacy space and the policy research area. They said they wanted to be the goto org whenevr the media did stories on immigration and given how openly bigoted they are in instigating hate its stunning they have accomplished it in such a small time. Its like the media going to kkk whenevr stories on race is done. They are merely described as advocating 'lower immigration' as opposed to an organization founded and funded by a racist from Michigan - and it's the nyt doing this
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Use the blogosphere to make your counter points.....

As Jay said during the DC rally, we need have an offensive stance rather than take all the BS......
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Check out Macaca's post from the times today of how immigration ( http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...=4805&page=104 (News Article Thread - 3) ) legal & illegal- is supposedly at record levels in the last 7 years. This is exactly what CIS does - scaring people about a sudden( or 'unprecedented' )surge in immigration neither of which would be true imo if we look at it as a % of native-born US citizens or as a % of world population. Thats why I think iv needs to form subgroups interested in crunching numbers over the weekends to respond forcefully to rubbish like this - any nerds willing to devote some weekends to come up with a plan to tackle this
I will be able to join this IV Nerd team from January mid.... Not before that...The reason busy with planning internation travel and then immediate family move to altogether different state
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I love researching inane stuff online and at least this one would get me some payback! Count me in as IV Nerd #2... however same as bharatpremi, due to travel commitments, will be able to contribute from mid-Jan.

Swamy, you are the one who came up with the idea... you in? Guys, lets do something about it rather than just bitch.
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Well, you guys can get together and form a SIG (special interest group) such as 'IV Research' , of course after getting the blessings from the IV Core.

Macaca, you must lead the team
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Swamy, you are the one who came up with the idea... you in? Guys, lets do something about it rather than just bitch.
yeah i can fill in for few non-nerd work sure
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The cynic in me says its wilful ignorance but Julia Preston apparently is the only one on the immigration beat for the whole freakin times it seems so she obviously is overworked for as complex an issue as this. CIS has cunningly occupied both an advocacy space and the policy research area. They said they wanted to be the goto org whenevr the media did stories on immigration and given how openly bigoted they are in instigating hate its stunning they have accomplished it in such a small time. Its like the media going to kkk whenevr stories on race is done. They are merely described as advocating 'lower immigration' as opposed to an organization founded and funded by a racist from Michigan - and it's the nyt doing this
And in TV media I can see only Jon Stuart and Cobert may be useful for us. We need to figure out the way to reach to them and have our issues discuused in their shows with their usual light comedy...For serious Journalism, I do not see anybody who can give us the little footage...
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And in TV media I can see only Jon Stuart and Cobert may be useful for us. We need to figure out the way to reach to them and have our issues discuused in their shows with their usual light comedy...For serious Journalism, I do not see anybody who can give us the little footage...
I love stewart/colbert - but as blue-collar as they are they wont win us new friends or help rein in the hatemongers. When colbert had lou dobbs on last year, he did not really challenge him on anything tho he did a funny gig on something mexican. while he strirs hate, lou has a good cover in ostensibly fighting for the middle class. tho its an obvious stretch its like even the nazis/fascists did a few good things like making trains run on time which some old timers recall fondly. btw, 'iam america and so can you' has an awesome chapter on immigration - ppl on the flight thought i was insae laughing so hard
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