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I don't think any EB piecemeal bill can pass in this government. To me even its hard to find some one who can attach piecemeal for EB.
This hispandering democratic party...will never do anything for skilled immigrants. Hope that they get thrown out completely in November.
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We should try the following:

1. Inclusion of children of legal immigrants in DREAM act

2. Visa re-capture

3. Elimination/Increase of country limit

We should tell our representative that 'we are not against undocumented immigrants, but children of legal immigrants should also get the benefit of DREAM act'.

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We should try the following:

1. Inclusion of children of legal immigrants in DREAM act

2. Visa re-capture

3. Elimination/Increase of country limit

We should tell our representative that 'we are not against undocumented immigrants, but children of legal immigrants should also get the benefit of DREAM act'.
When I look at all this, I feel that we are so stupid. When we should work on recapture and country limits, we waste time on eb2 v/s eb3 and all the crap we see all the time. When I was in DC in June, I learned from IV Core that nothing gets done in the last minute. After we see things in the press, its already too late to include our provisions because the decisions are already taken before things come out in public domain.

We are all good for immature and stupid arguments. I don't think most people here want to understand how system works. Let's stick to our non-nonsensical discussions which will make sense for most of us. Working on recapture and country limits is beyond most of us.
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When I look at all this, I feel that we are so stupid. When we should work on recapture and country limits, we waste time on eb2 v/s eb3 and all the crap we see all the time. When I was in DC in June, I learned from IV Core that nothing gets done in the last minute. After we see things in the press, its already too late to include our provisions because the decisions are already taken before things come out in public domain.

We are all good for immature and stupid arguments. I don't think most people here want to understand how system works. Let's stick to our non-nonsensical discussions which will make sense for most of us. Working on recapture and country limits is beyond most of us.
In that case, we should work on 'inclusion of children of legal immigrants in DREAM act' alone. Al least some of us will get the benefit.
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In that case, we should work on 'inclusion of children of legal immigrants in DREAM act' alone. Al least some of us will get the benefit.
Children of legal immigrants have no problems. Their parents are high earning parents. Children go to good schools. They can travel anywhere they want. They have no problem in getting admissions in colleges for being undocumented.

So what are you talking about? You want to give give greencards to highly pampered rich kids of H1Bs. Do you even know the sorrows of kids of undocumented. You should go to their websites or see their videos on YouTube.

Tell me one video on YouTube or a website with stories of kids of H1B in sorrows..............
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We should try the following:

1. Inclusion of children of legal immigrants in DREAM act

2. Visa re-capture

3. Elimination/Increase of country limit

We should tell our representative that 'we are not against undocumented immigrants, but children of legal immigrants should also get the benefit of DREAM act'.
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Default Let's try to get visa recapture added

All -

This looks like a really good opportunity that we should not waste. So, let's all please email Reid to get visa recapture added. We all know that it's not unreasonable to ask for recapture and I have heard several times that it will have the least opposition.

IV Core, Pappu -
I am sure you will agree with this. Please guide us in this effort.
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Children of legal immigrants have no problems. Their parents are high earning parents. Children go to good schools. They can travel anywhere they want. They have no problem in getting admissions in colleges for being undocumented.

So what are you talking about? You want to give give greencards to highly pampered rich kids of H1Bs. Do you even know the sorrows of kids of undocumented. You should go to their websites or see their videos on YouTube.

Tell me one video on YouTube or a website with stories of kids of H1B in sorrows..............
If children of undocumented immigrants can get GC by completing two years in college, why not children of legal immigrants waiting for their GC.
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All -

This looks like a really good opportunity that we should not waste. So, let's all please email Reid to get visa recapture added. We all know that it's not unreasonable to ask for recapture and I have heard several times that it will have the least opposition.

IV Core, Pappu -
I am sure you will agree with this. Please guide us in this effort.
Thanks
emailing doesn't get visa recapture. I have been emailing since the last 1.5 yrs and every senator replies that they will keep my suggestion in mind. if voting is about to begin on DREAM act despite our Washington advocacy, there is nothing much we can do. A wish list is just lip service.
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If children of undocumented immigrants can get GC by completing two years in college, why not children of legal immigrants waiting for their GC.
Children of legal immigrants are already in line for their greencards through their parents. Undocumented are in a real bad situation. They cannot even get admission in college. They do not even have social security number, student visa, etc. Their parents are poor. The whole family is always afraid every second of their life of being deported.

Kids of legal Immigrants enjoy good schools. Many go to private schools. Enjoy good comforts of life and even get admissions in best universities to become doctors and lawyers.

You have not been able to tell a single website where children of legal immigrants have poured their pain from their heart out. or any YouTube video where children of legal immigrant is telling his/her sorrows.

So you are asking Senator to solve a problem that does not exist.
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When I look at all this, I feel that we are so stupid. When we should work on recapture and country limits, we waste time on eb2 v/s eb3 and all the crap we see all the time. When I was in DC in June, I learned from IV Core that nothing gets done in the last minute. After we see things in the press, its already too late to include our provisions because the decisions are already taken before things come out in public domain.

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The House version of the America Competes Bill had a an ammendment that showed the sense of the house to retain Grad Level STEM eductated folks in US. Nothing concrete like exempting STEM MS/PhD from EB visa count . This ammendment was passed unanimously.

The Senate Bill should be up for discussion and voting soon. Can we try and and have the SKILL Act attached as an ammendment to it?
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True emailing will not get you visa re-capture or anything. Here is what I think and it is very unfortunate and a bitter truth.

As expected, many people are waking up now and asking for a bill for themselves. Till now whenever we used to talk about a bill, we used to hear from our members that No bill will happen this year and they will not participate in action items we ask from them. Everyone was a political and legal expert and did nothing when asked to do something. People were wasting their time in INA analysis threads, spillovers, wastage of visas, number crunching or EB2/EB3 fights. If our community really felt they deserved a fix and desperately wanted it, we would have seen more from each one of us. You cannot do anything when a bill is already being introduced. Real work happens before the bill is introduced. If people do not even take the trouble of going and personally meeting their lawmakers, showing up for DC event we did in June, contributing every month to IV............. then you will only be disappointed when you see other interest groups being able to get their bill. If you think lobbying is simply writing emails, then you seriously need to get out of your illusion and educate yourself first. If we think our issue is more important than Dream Act, then it should be seen in your monthly meetings with each and every lawmaker office in every state, regular media interviews , etc. How many of us are making such efforts? Now compare your efforts with the efforts of the Dream act interest groups. You will see the difference and they definitely deserve their success for their hard work.

If you think you do not need to do anything other than writing forum posts and tracking, and will send out an email when time comes then forget getting any bill or any admin fix.
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In that case, we should work on 'inclusion of children of legal immigrants in DREAM act' alone. Al least some of us will get the benefit.
Next time I'll write post that is 'certified for dummies'. If everyone will keep fighting with other over non-issues then NOTHING will ever get done for EB, NADA, ZERO.

We should either stop fighting with each other and work with single minded focus on these provisions, or, we should just keep fighting with each other to get satisfaction for making the others look bad.
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Default You are right..

No doubt you are right on point...what do we do now..given the circumstances we are in..call our friends..Sen John Cornyn and the lady Sen from California..who allways stood by us..call them..see if that works..to intorduce the visa recapture?.

what do you think?.


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True emailing will not get you visa re-capture or anything. Here is what I think and it is very unfortunate and a bitter truth.

As expected, many people are waking up now and asking for a bill for themselves. Till now whenever we used to talk about a bill, we used to hear from our members that No bill will happen this year and they will not participate in action items we ask from them. Everyone was a political and legal expert and did nothing when asked to do something. People were wasting their time in INA analysis threads, spillovers, wastage of visas, number crunching or EB2/EB3 fights. If our community really felt they deserved a fix and desperately wanted it, we would have seen more from each one of us. You cannot do anything when a bill is already being introduced. Real work happens before the bill is introduced. If people do not even take the trouble of going and personally meeting their lawmakers, showing up for DC event we did in June, contributing every month to IV............. then you will only be disappointed when you see other interest groups being able to get their bill. If you think lobbying is simply writing emails, then you seriously need to get out of your illusion and educate yourself first. If we think our issue is more important than Dream Act, then it should be seen in your monthly meetings with each and every lawmaker office in every state, regular media interviews , etc. How many of us are making such efforts? Now compare your efforts with the efforts of the Dream act interest groups. You will see the difference and they definitely deserve their success for their hard work.

If you think you do not need to do anything other than writing forum posts and tracking, and will send out an email when time comes then forget getting any bill or any admin fix.
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No doubt you are right on point...what do we do now..given the circumstances we are in..call our friends..Sen John Cornyn and the lady Sen from California..who allways stood by us..call them..see if that works..to intorduce the visa recapture?.

what do you think?.
lol...wait did you say "our friends"??? and oh by the way I think you meant lady Congresswoman Lofgren (thats her name) and not lady "Senator"... and you want pappu to call them...then what do you plan to do my friend??? aha...guess just wait for your green card to be Fedexed to you.

Wow, even after pappu's email, most of us still are asking for ways to include our proposals to this bill but not one is mentioning concrete action items like making appointments to meet law makers or trying to co ordinate State chapter level action items!! at the least at least mention donations!!

BTW nothing personal against you pani but your response just epitomized why we might never really get a EB favorable legislative law from a grassroots level. Sorry if I offended you.

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