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Ron Hira supports LEGALIZATION OF THE UNDOCUMENTED. But he wants the his students who are educated at the school where is is "professor" Rochester Institute of Technology, to be thrown out of America. And he says thats good for Amercia. Can he explain that? See below.


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<Vivek Wadhwa> wrote

Ron, why are you so shocked at the xenophobia which you are unleashing? You knew the discussion on CNBC was about 50 MBA students having their offers rescinded. CNBC didn’t mislead you as you claim. They told us in advance what the topic was and what we would be discussing. How could they have discussed permanent immigration in this short segment?

You know that once a foreign student accepts an offer and starts the visa process, they lose other options. And you know that when offers are rescinded, this is a life changing event for those students. Their families used their savings or got loans to send them here and these students had hoped that they would earn enough to pay off this debt. Foreign students don't get a second chance to look for jobs and must return home immediately. I have received emails from some who are depressed and suicidal. Yes, I know you can recite equally depressing stories about Americans. I am not saying that a foreigner should get preference over an American. But I am saying that the one with the superior skills should be allowed to get the job they deserve. Let the employers decide. This is a free country, after all.

How can you make statements on TV that "Bank of America did not hire American workers first and/or were going to replace American workers with those MBA’s”. How do you know this? You are an academic representing a top university. How can you categorically state that “bank has a policy of replacing American workers with cheap H1B’s”? This is bizarre, my friend. If I was a B of A exec, I would have filed a lawsuit against RIT for your making this claim.

It is true that some skilled engineers on H1B visas with many years experience get paid somewhat less than comparable American workers. But so what? You’re going to throw out all foreign students in revenge? And what evidence do you have that entry level MBA’s hired by companies like B of A make less than Americans? I know for a fact that entry-level salaries are generally consistent and foreign students DON’T get paid less than Americans. How do I know this? Because I have been a VP at a top investment bank and a tech exec. And I know many students who have received such job offers. And yes, I did hire H1B’s. (I know you are trying to portray this as unpatriotic).

As far as your statements about supporting skilled immigration, you are playing the same games as the anti-immigrant extremists who are your fans and followers. You want all sorts of restrictions on this. I also noted that you were remarkably silent on that misleading Associated Press story…and you have been remarkably silent on the incessant attacks which your followers have unleashed on me because of the CNBC interview. I find this shocking.

Vivek




-----Original Message-----
From: John Laxmi
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:04 PM
To:
Subject: IMMIGRATION: Ron Hira's Clarifications re: Immigration and CNBC Comments

Ron Hira, to whom references were made in the previous posts on the CNBC debate, is a member of this List. Both Ron Hira and Vivek Wadhwa have been long-time supporters of SAJA and have participated in SAJA panels and programs.

Thanks to both Vivek and Ron for their fuller explanations on this topic, going beyond what a television debate can capture.

Ron's comments and clarifications are posted below.

In addition, as a response to the prior discussion, Ron says: "While my research area isn't low-skill immigration, I support the legalization of undocumented workers, converting them to legal permanent residents. Call it amnesty if you like."


John



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From: Ron Hira
Date: Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: IMMIGRATION: CNBC on layoffs: should foreigners be fired first?

To:
This is so bizarre I'm shocked. I can only assume there are two factors

at play. First, the highly misleading phrase "foreign born" used by the

CNBC commentators, and second ignorance of the policy debates about high-skill immigration to the US.

I had avoided responding to the earlier ad hominem attacks on this august listserv, and I will continue to do so.



As I have repeatedly stated publicly and consistently I support increased permanent immigration to the US. See for example, this exchange in the WSJ that I had with Bob Hoffman, the chief spokesperson for CompeteAmerica the coalition lobbying for increases in the H-1B cap.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117388283731536825.html

Here is just one relevant excerpt from one of my responses:

"America should have policies to encourage the best and brightest to come to the U.S. and stay. In order to meet this goal, we need to fix the H-1B and L-1 guest-worker programs as well as our Employment Based Greencard program. Groups like Immigration Voice, which represents foreign guest workers who want to stay in the U.S. permanently, have some good ideas on how to improve the green card process. But we should not confuse or conflate a guest-worker program, which the H-1B and L-1 visas are, with immigration."

You can read the whole thing if you are so inclined.

Further, if you actually watch the CNBC video

(http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1056896654&play=1), you'll see at the bottom of the screen it says at one point: "HIRA: I'M FOR MORE PERMANENT IMMIGRATION". The commentators had every opportunity to discuss the problems associated with permanent immigration but they chose not to.

And, lest you think that I am all words and no action, I would note that I have also been actively involved with IEEE-USA (as a member and a VP and board member), which has advocated increases in the legal permanent resident (greencard) quotas. See for example, congressional testimony by Lee Colby, an IEEE-USA member: "The Need for Green Cards for Highly Skilled Workers" http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/policy/2008/061208.pdf



Relevant excerpts:

To this end, IEEE-USA urges Congress to put aside longstanding partisan differences and take immediate steps to:

1. Increase the availability of permanent, employment-based (EB) visas and streamline the
immigrant admissions (Green Card) process in order to make these visas the preferred
path to legal permanent resident status and full citizenship for foreign professionals in

STEM fields,
2. Allow foreign students who earn advanced degrees in STEM fields from U.S. colleges and universities to transition directly from temporary student visas to legal permanent resident (Green Card) status, IEEE-USA has jointly written letters with the Semiconductor Industry Association supporting Rep. Lofgren's legislation for more greencards.

See: http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/policy/2008/051608.pdf

And: http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/policy/2008/051408.pdf

I am happy to engage in a rational discussion with anyone about U.S. high-skill immigration policy. There is much wrong with it, and a lot of serious analysis and policy design work still needs to be done.

Cheers,

Ron

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Typical Employment offers to Americal Citizens/GC holders is considered Perm if the offer is for more than 6 months. Why not this rule followed for Immigrants?? It is not our mistake that CIS doesn't take I485s or approve I140s ontime.
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I studied in RIT for MS. Luckily I got a job in this economy,But My friend got an offer letter from one of the TARP company and they refuse to give the job at the last moment. He did MBA .He left last week to India. This is ridiculous !
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I'm going to stay away from personalizing if I can against Ron, because it gets off the point in the time allowed, and personal attacks are too easy to defend and can appear bigoted (especially when he is the professional debater).

Indeed I'm hoping for personal attacks against me, because that gives me more microphone time and more opportunity to defend a communal position.
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Any attention you are trying to bring to the EB legal immigrants cause is always appreciated.

On top of it for you to be involved after getting your green card is always commended by people like us who have been legal, paying taxes(> 10 years in my case) and still not sure about our status in this country.

A quick note, in my case, I am eligible for Social Security Benefits having logged more than 40 credits of income but I may be denied green card. I am sure case like mine does have implications on the overall economy too.

Thanks for the carrying the word and your work around.

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A quick note, in my case, I am eligible for Social Security Benefits having logged more than 40 credits of income but I may be denied green card. I am sure case like mine does have implications on the overall economy too.

Thanks for the carrying the word and your work around.

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