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Mark - Thanks for doing this, it was very good!

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This is good! Can someone post this on YouTube?
I thought YouTube was for video only? (Tube being slang for TV)
What about linking to the stream at wamu.org (links earlier in this thread)?

If YouTube does accept audio only, then you should check with WAMU web site policies before copying/ripping the stream.
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I'll be on the Kojo Nnamdi show on WAMU at 1pm.

The topic is high skilled immigration in the recession.
You can listen in live via a web stream at WAMU.org
There will be an audio archive available at wamu.org about 1 hour after the show.

WAMU is a Washington DC NPR station.

There will be three guests...
Ron Hira (spelling?) who is an well known anti (via phone)
Demetrios Papademetriou (migrationpolicy.org) seems to be a very analytical chap (in studio)
Mark Bartosik (me) ImmigrationVoice.org (via phone)

I'm going to try to swing the debate around to how we can fix the system, which of course requires acknowledging that it is broken, and that may mean agreeing with Ron on some points, but then proposing how we fix it (get GC wait down, country quota, loosen employer ties, grace periods between jobs, prioritizing H1B - rather than lottery).

Forgive me if I cannot cover it all. I've done this before and it is hugely difficult to get a message out in a short period of time, while debating professionals in the subject, especially when they may want to talk about different aspects.
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hey green tech -- here's one of my other interests: netzeroenergy.org (my house - one of my web sites).
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Ron Hira's argument is centered on two points:

(A) H-1B workers are undercutting the American work force by working for a lower wage.

(B) H-1B workers are brought in for training on "American" jobs that are then shipped overseas.

(A) Some foreign workers may be paid "less", but every worker is paid according to the prevailing wage determined by the department of labor. In order to fix the problem, the prevailing wage must be adjusted to appropriately reflect the skills of the foreign worker, not have a protectionist legislation.
Ron Hira likes to cite the example that the average pay of an h-1B worker is around 50K. However, he fails to mention that H-1B workers are brought in to fill a range of positions in a variety of professions. Some professions may not pay as well as others, but there still may very well be a more talented/qualified foreign worker available to do the job more efficiently.
Ron Hira acknowledged that in order to prevent the abuse of the H-1B system, the foreign worker must be given more bargaining power. How about this for starters:
1) The foreign worker can switch jobs and work for any employer without the need for sponsorship - say after a year.
2) The foreign worker can file the petition to immigrate on his own based on the fact that he has been continuously employed for say 3 years in the same profession
3) In case of job loss, the foreign worker has 90 days to wrap things up or look for a new job.
4) Whistle blower protections for outing employers who do not comply with the H-1B regulations.
5) If the H-1B worker fails to show up in the US within 3-6 months of approval, the h-1B will be rescinded. The employer will be required to prove to the dept. of labor/uscis after say 6 months that it is paying the employee the wage mentioned in the LCA. If there is a violation, the employer has to pay the wages, and the employee has 90 days to find a new job or return to his home country.

If simple provisions such as the above are adopted, the H-1B abuse will automatically end.

(B) Training foreign workers on H-1B and off shoring jobs.
This is a baseless reason to oppose the H-1b program. If a company has decided that it is going to cut costs and take advantage of lower cost of labor overseas, it will find a way irrespective of the H-1B program. Heck, today if they bring in foreign workers on H-1B for training - tomorrow they will send American workers abroad to train their replacements. The H-1B is just a means to an end; the real reason is to stay competitive. Opposing the H-1B program is not going to prevent off shoring - I am surprised Ron Hira doesn't see this.
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I think H1 has become a very generic visa. They need to seperate it out into three or four categories. Example people with US degrees should be given a special visa O1 or similar since these people are here to stay and every one agrees are highly skilled. For outsourcing companies bringing people for so called knowledge transfer should state their intent while applying for visa in the petition that the employee will be in US for a period ranging from X - Y years and will be responsible to transition the project work to offshore location. For consulting people bringing in tech workers from different foreign countries should be also mentioning in petition that this person will be paid $x more than the prevailing wage specified by DOL for this skill example DOL says wages for Java developer is $50K and this H1 candidate is being offered $65K so in that way the person is no way low wages guy who is stealing jobs. This way Mr Hira can go after the second category of outsourcing companies and leave Students and People here to Stay permenent alone.
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I think H1 has become a very generic visa. They need to seperate it out into three or four categories. Example people with US degrees should be given a special visa O1 or similar since these people are here to stay and every one agrees are highly skilled. For outsourcing companies bringing people for so called knowledge transfer should state their intent while applying for visa in the petition that the employee will be in US for a period ranging from X - Y years and will be responsible to transition the project work to offshore location. For consulting people bringing in tech workers from different foreign countries should be also mentioning in petition that this person will be paid $x more than the prevailing wage specified by DOL for this skill example DOL says wages for Java developer is $50K and this H1 candidate is being offered $65K so in that way the person is no way low wages guy who is stealing jobs. This way Mr Hira can go after the second category of outsourcing companies and leave Students and People here to Stay permenent alone.
nice idea - out sourcing visa - sort of "kiss of death".
Then if H1 is used for out sourcing it would become visa fraud. Also the out sourcing visa quota could be made reciprocal. Thus for country X to receive Y outsourcing visas they must have issued the same number of visas for the same purpose to US citizens. That would nicely limit those numbers.

Anyway - dream on.
That's rather why Kojo's question to me along the lines of well "how would you fix things if you could" took me by surprise; because we only get to do that in our dreams.
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Mark the idea was that Employer makes his/ her intentions clear when they are filing the petition. The reason is these days the H1 petition is pretty generic and that is why anti immigrants are painting everyone with same brush. I am pretty sure there will be stringent guidelines on H1 for FY 2010 pretty soon and this will make life easier for genuine folks. This area is much more grey when you get into L1 and B1 visa where the intent that CIS had for this kind of visa's and the purpose they are serving at the moment are totally different and they are in dire needs of reforms. Plus CIS can track how many people were brought into US for supporting outsourcing. I think not all points Mr Hira made can be dismissed as anti H1. I mean the example he gave of a web developer for $16.hr in Mclean Va is one such case where there can be some concerns. I dont think outsourcing visa will be kiss of death. cleint companies like Pfizer BOA ( as mentioned by Mr Hira) and servicing companies like IBM Accenture Cognizant Infosys TCS have money and connections to lobby for these kinds of visa and that will spare us of having to defend them.
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That's rather why Kojo's question to me along the lines of well "how would you fix things if you could" took me by surprise; because we only get to do that in our dreams.
Hi Mark, Just as in the past, I was very illogical and absurd. You kicked my ass and I accept that. I enjoy my ass get kicked and look to the next time you or someone else kick me again.
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