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Old 02-12-2008, 02:03 PM
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Default Unused EB3 ROW

Whether unused visa in EB-3 Row will go to EB3 India?

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Good strategy. Need to make sure all EB provisions are still intact in these reforms targetted for spring & Summer of this year.
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Hi,

In the past any leftover numbers from undersubscribed countries were being given to the oversubscribed countries in the final quarter of the year (Jul-Sept), That's how so many of indians and chinese got their GCs over last 4-5 years.

My question is, is that still the policy of the USCIS? Will USCIS use the leftover numbers from ROW for India/China.

The possibiliy of having quite a few of leftover numbers is high as ROW is current for EB2. That might bail out, to some extent, EB2 India.

You of course have to count the effect of new memorandum about FBI Name check into this mix.

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No left overs from ROW to POW (this is what I am feeling right now with EB2 being unavailable)..
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Good strategy. Need to make sure all EB provisions are still intact in these reforms targetted for spring & Summer of this year.
How can we find out if EB provisions are there?
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I dont think so.... If that happens, I will send you a bag of sugar to you...

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September 2001 will be current next month for sure ...
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Default ROW will get a break every Oct. Not India/China

I have seen this dog and pony show one too many times. Every year, people think that next year's quota of 140,000 will cause the dates for India and China to go forward in the October Bulletin. October will be the end of misery.

Each year, in October bulletin, for India/China EB3, the dates are either stagnant or they go back to 1998 or 1999.

The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.

And each year, the dates for India and China will keep yo-yoing between 1998 and 2002, will never move forward, because if per-country limits are applied to 140,000 greencards, then there is very very little leftover that flows to India/China.

So without an increase in Quota or without removal of per-country discrimination, nothing is going to happen either in Oct 2008 or Oct 2009 or Oct 2010. It will keep fluctuating between 1998 and 2002. That is the bracket for India and China.
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Whether unused visa in EB-3 Row will go to EB3 India?


I am a little unclear on all of the retrogression ect. But can someone please explain how EB3 ROW can be retrogressed and not use all of the visa numbers in a year? That doesnt even make sense to me? Would someone please shed some light?
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I haven't seen the ROW dates to be current since 2005 when everything got retrogressed (except the crazy thing that happened last summer).

As far as I know there were A LOT more cases approved in that July fiasco that were from India, I believe the number in June/July was about 3 times the anual quota.

I know you're probably VERY frustrated because of the ROW move while the India cutoff dates are still in 2001 but please don't start the discussion on ROW vs India/Chiana. It's not helping anybody.
I agree that country quotas are wrong and the number of GC per year is ridiculous. But getting people to argue against eachother is not a solution. Supporting the legislative/admin changes is (and I know you've done A LOT to make things happen)

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The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
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I am a little unclear on all of the retrogression ect. But can someone please explain how EB3 ROW can be retrogressed and not use all of the visa numbers in a year? That doesnt even make sense to me? Would someone please shed some light?
I have the same question. State dept advances the date just so that the available visas are used up for that category by the end of the fiscal year. If a category is retrogressed, then it can't really be "undersubscribed". Maybe there's more to it than what meets the eye here?

The following was listed at the bottom of the page in the March VB in state dept's website:

The cut-off date movement for March in several Employment categories has been greater than those experienced in recent months. Advancement of the cut-off dates at this time should prevent a situation later in the fiscal year where there are large amounts of numbers available but not enough time to use them. If the expected increase in CIS number use materializes, future cut-off date movements could slow or stop.

In the past, state dept guesstimated the demand for visas and changed the dates accordingly. Now that USCIS has almost everyone's I-485 application (those who were able to file by August 2007), logic would dictate that the state dept calculates these date movements based on feedback from USCIS. But maybe that isn't the case. Does anyone have any insight on this?

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As far as I know the country quotas are followed only in the first 3 quarters of the year. Last year a lot of numbers were used for India/China in the June/July fiasco and ROW used less than the yearly quota. India had I think 3 times the yearly quota in those months. So they're trying to use up as much as they can for ROW this year I guess.


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I have the same question. State dept moves the date just so that the visa numbers are used for that category. If a category is retrogressed, then it can't really be "undersubscribed".

This was listed at the bottom of the page in the March VB in state dept's website:

The cut-off date movement for March in several Employment categories has been greater than those experienced in recent months. Advancement of the cut-off dates at this time should prevent a situation later in the fiscal year where there are large amounts of numbers available but not enough time to use them. If the expected increase in CIS number use materializes, future cut-off date movements could slow or stop.
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I have the same question. State dept moves the date just so that the visa numbers are used for that category. If a category is retrogressed, then it can't really be "undersubscribed".

This was listed at the bottom of the page in the March VB in state dept's website:

The cut-off date movement for March in several Employment categories has been greater than those experienced in recent months. Advancement of the cut-off dates at this time should prevent a situation later in the fiscal year where there are large amounts of numbers available but not enough time to use them. If the expected increase in CIS number use materializes, future cut-off date movements could slow or stop.
Mods should merge two identical threads. See my post in the other thread:
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Does it mean that till Oct 08 bulletin there is no point to expect anything for India EB2?
I suspect VB in Oct08 might be good for EB2...if you look at the below copied "Archived Visa Bulletin" URL and I see month of October is always been a fruitful month for EB2 (Employment Based) and I am thinking this year Oct 08 will also show us some good updates...

Check this URL:
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October 2007: EB2 - 01APR04
October 2006: EB2 - 15JUN02
October 2005: EB2 - 01NOV99
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Can anyone explain me..
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ROW = Rest of the World. It refers to countries other than India, China, Mexico, and I believe Philippines.

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Yeah, Tell me about it!!!

Just two more months and mine would have been current!!!!

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correction: EB3 ROW = 01JAN05 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!

Just 1.25 more year and I would have been current! Damn!!!!
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man..I do not see any hope for India...EB2 esp.

This sucks...we are in for along haul teh indians on this community...brace urselves.
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