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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10126625-38.html
Millions of green card holders will be fingerprinted and photographed every time they enter the United States as part of an expansion of a controversial biometric program, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced on Thursday.
The expansion of the US-VISIT program to permanent residents--also known as green card holders--takes effect on January 18, 2009. At the moment, the program's biometric requirements apply to foreign citizens with a non-immigrant visa or those traveling as part of the so-called Visa Waiver program.
Anyone screened as part of the US-VISIT program must provide digital fingerprints and a photograph at the border, plus date of birth, address while in the country, and other information that the U.S. government deems appropriate. The information is checked against a government database of known terrorists and criminals. Refusing to give prints of all 10 fingers will result in being denied entry to the country.
"Expanding enrollment in US-VISIT is a positive step forward in a process designed to further improve public safety and national security while ensuring the integrity of the immigration system," the DHS said in a statement. "Linking a person's biometric information to his or her travel documents reduces the risk that a traveler's identity or documents could be intentionally misused by someone attempting to gain entry into the United States."
The program has been controversial. Government auditors have concluded that US-VISIT has "significant information security control weaknesses that place sensitive and personally identifiable information at increased risk of unauthorized and possibly undetected disclosure and modification, misuse, and destruction." Privacy groups have called it the "most elaborate system of identification in the United States."
Some visitors to the U.S. will continue to remain exempt, including non-U.S. citizens younger than 14 or older than 79, as well as Canadian citizens on short-term visits under B visas. US-VISIT stands for United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology.
The program was implemented in 2003, but a report (PDF) released by the Government Accountability Office this month details the shortcomings of the program, noting that "program planning and execution limitations and weaknesses...confront DHS in its quest to deliver US-VISIT capabilities and value in a timely and cost-effective manner."
The report said the DHS has not taken action to address some of the program's risks, even though they have been known for years. While the department has taken many steps aimed at improving the management of US-VISIT, the report said, more needs to be done, or else "program performance, transparency, and accountability will suffer."
Privacy and security are two of the main challenges facing US-VISIT, its chief information officer said at a biometrics conference in October. However, the program has virtually erased the once-prominent problem of document fraud at U.S. borders, its director said.
The Department of Homeland Security has not announced any plans to fingerprint U.S. citizens at the border. When going through the green card process, current applicants are required to be fingerprinted.
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Old 12-27-2008, 04:20 AM
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http://www.itexaminer.com/us-wants-t...d-holders.aspx

This link suggests it is only for Indian nationals!
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Default Why Crazy?

Before they issue GC they have taken all 10 finger prints and Bio-metrics, without this they wont issue Physical GC right ?

Now what again they need finger prints when ever we go out and come to this country ?

someone changing fingers out side this country ?
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Finger printing expires. So it makes sense for DHS to ask for finger printing for GC holders. Not a big deal. I think this is even better for US security.


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Before they issue GC they have taken all 10 finger prints and Bio-metrics, without this they wont issue Physical GC right ?

Now what again they need finger prints when ever we go out and come to this country ?

someone changing fingers out side this country ?
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someone changing fingers out side this country ?
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Default Why only for GC holders

I totally agree that this is better for US security. Then why don't they do the same for US citizens. If GC holders can be threat to US security, US citizens can certainly be, especially in these times of depression.


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Finger printing expires. So it makes sense for DHS to ask for finger printing for GC holders. Not a big deal. I think this is even better for US security.
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I totally agree that this is better for US security. Then why don't they do the same for US citizens. If GC holders can be threat to US security, US citizens can certainly be, especially in these times of depression.
Idea of finger printing is not bad. But it should be done on citizens as well.

GC holders are future citizens. This does not make sense to me that I, or
somebody needs to be tracked when he/she is on GC and as soon as he/she gets citizenship, does not need to be tracked!


In fact GC holders are supposed to notify of address change when they move,
citizens are not supposed to do so. GC holders go through FBI name check as well before they get GC.
So GC holders are scrutinized more than natural born citizens anyway!
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I guess they are implemening it in stages. Now it is for GC holder, maybe in a few years everyone including citizens might have to be fingerprinted.
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Default for security

they just want to secure us and as a gc hholder i don't have any problem.

but do they have resource ?
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Why people are so much furious about even finger printing? It is one of the security related regulations and how does it hurt most of us (those who are not planning to be a criminal or allow somebodyelse to enter usa with our GC/visa)?
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Just be patient and allow them to do watever they want, finger print, leg print, mouth print or any print..... all they can do is just for 5 years after that you are citizen then whatever applies to otehrs apply for you.........

So just go with the flow....

If they say they will give GC tomorrow, i am ready to give finger prints daily also
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I do not mind giving finger prints any number of time, but first give me my green card pls...
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Just be patient and allow them to do watever they want, finger print, leg print, mouth print or any print..... all they can do is just for 5 years after that you are citizen then whatever applies to otehrs apply for you.........

So just go with the flow....

If they say they will give GC tomorrow, i am ready to give finger prints daily also
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And even if you are doing it, dont say it is OK.
bcos it is NOT OK.
Once you get citizenship it will say all naturalized citizens will need to give FP.. So we'll always be descriminated.. Live with it.. But its NOT OKAY... and we shouldn't accept it even it we cooperate (no choice here :-)) its still not acceptable to get descrminated... anyone and everone is a potential threat.. so make a more sensible and humane rule/law...
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Just be patient and allow them to do watever they want, finger print, leg print, mouth print or any print..... all they can do is just for 5 years after that you are citizen then whatever applies to otehrs apply for you.........

So just go with the flow....

If they say they will give GC tomorrow, i am ready to give finger prints daily also
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